CHAPPLE/CLEAVE Totnes area

[Simon G Roberts]

My first message on Roots.com!

Any help relating to the Chapple's and Cleaves would be most welcome as  have gone cold.

Chapple. - Living in Totnes

Herbert Philip Chapple (b) 1892 Newton Abbot. He had several sisters and brothers Margaretta Jane (b. est 1883), Susan Ethel (b. est 1887) and possibly Jack, however there could be more. I believe their parents were William Chapple and Frances, however I cannot be sure. All children were born in the Newton Abbot area. Any information that might help would be useful.

Cleave. – Living in Totnes

John Cleave (b. est 1805) Ivybridge, married Mary and had 3 children Elizabeth, James and Thomas. He later re-married Ann (b. 1810) from Brixham and had Robert. William Charles and George.

I trying to find out more about John and his ancestry and possibly Mary and Ann’s Maiden names. Again any information would be welcome.

Regards
Simon

[lizdb]

Where does your inof about the Chapple's come from? I cant see a birth for Henry Philip on FreeBMD.

births
Margaretta Jane Chapple
Jan/Feb/MAr 1883
Newton Abbot reg distr ref 5b 143

Susan Ethel
Jan/Feb/Mar 1887
Newton Ab ref 5b 132

[lizdb]

1891
RG12 1700 45 9

East Street Denbury NA

awful writing I will do my best ...

George Chapple 67 Farm labourer
Susana 40
Margetta 8
Mary G 6
Emily 3?
Susan  E? 4
John G 9mths
George J 9 mths    all bn Denbury

If this is the right family then parents are not William and Frances - where did those names come from?

PS Warm welcome to Rootschat!!!

[lizdb]

Silly me! 

Here is Herberts birth ( I was looking for Henry by mistake)

Oct/Nov/Dec 1892
Herbert Philip Chapple
Newton Abbott
5b 114

Getting the cert will confirm parentage for sure

Wish I could get the family on 1901 - no luck yet...

[lizdb]

This could be him - if he was indeed from Denbury

1901
RG13 2072 80 16
6 Victoria Ave Totnes
Richard Pengilly 51 coachman bn Ashburton
Emma 41 wife bn Denbury
Herbert Chapple 8 nephew bn Denbury

[lizdb]

Here is the family I had in 1891 (I think!)  -  in 1901 - but whether they are Herberts family we have no proof.

RG13 2055 109 3
South Str Torbryan

George widow 76 Navy Pensioner bn Lutton
Mary 16 housekeeper
Ethel 14
john 10
George 10 twins    bn Denbury

[Simon G Roberts]

Many thanks for the quick response.

I'm pretty sure about the birth place of Herbert Philip, Magaretta Jane and Susan Ethel. (all Newton Abbot). As to their parents I know nothing. Herbert does have a Military medal from WW1 as I have it here. Out of curiosity I typed his name in to google and it came up on Devon Heritage website, listing Gazetted date and parents name, however I it lists him born in Torquay in Oct Nov Dec which isn't quite right, so I'm really not sure they were William or Frances. If not I don’t have anything to go on. It’s a strong coincidence. He got the MM in 1915 France, but this lists 1917 – so thinking about it this can’t be him. Just another brave sole!!!

Once again thanks for the help.
Simon

[lizdb]

There are several Herbert Chapple births in Devon within a year or two of 1892, but nono others with middle name Philip, or in Newton Abbot reg district.
So if you are sure on those facts, it would be worth getting the cert to find his parents.

Looks like there is another person around born Torquay with parents Francis and William - does whatever you read say for sure he had middle name Philip? and was born 1892? Or was he just another Herbert Chapple from Devon who won a medal.

...and of course the important question is - which is yours?

[Simon G Roberts]

I'm pretty new to this...

What is the best way to get a copy of the cert....(Herberts birth cert?)

Simon