help finding....

[grandarog]

Hi Adrian,
              Dont get misled, Joseph Firminger bn Walworth is with his family in Walworth Surrey 1851 badly transcribed as Fenniger and Fermor at the same time as your Joseph is at Bredhurst with your lot.
  Also that now makes it looked looks deffo that the death reg in Milton is the Walworth Joseph not yours.
 Looks like you had best start searching for emmigrants as I cant see any sign of Joseph or Sarah any where.
                               Merry Christmas
                                                     Rog

[grandarog]

Sorry Adrian ,  :'(
                Dont know where the source ref for Walworth Furmingers went in the ether it was in the message when I previewed.
       Try again here
                  1851 census HO107  1567  841  19
                                                         Cheers Rog

[grandarog]

It looks like the link between the families in 1851 is Charcoal, one lot manufacturing at Bredhurst and the other selling it at Walworth.

[casalguidi]

Also that now makes it looked looks deffo that the death reg in Milton is the Walworth Joseph not yours.

Rog, there appear to have been two Josephs born Walworth about that time - the one in Kent and who probably died Milton registration district (Adrian's one) and the other one (son of Ann born Eastbourne), who appears later in the Camberwell area.

Casalguidi

[grandarog]

Hi Casalguidi ,
           I did note on Fam Search that there was also a Joseph with parents Francis and Sarah (as the Bredhurst Family) at Walworth .On a batch number entry. ,  Although Adrians family branch from Bredhurst are obviously(tongue in cheek) related to the other family at  Walworth it seems strange they should have had the children christened there and not in their own village. Thats why I advised Adrian not to get misled as the Furminger tree is very Knarled and Tangled .
          I still have my doubts which is which.
                                                  Merry Christmas Rog

[Adi1962]

Just found him in Newington nr. Milton 1891 - again with sister Mary - age 53 and no birthplace given RG12/717 folio 111 page 15

Casalguidi

This confirms some link. Clare Furminger (niece of Joseph) married in 1903 the William Eldridge aged 10.

[Adi1962]

Hi Rog

Thanks for the info. The Charcoal link is interesting looks like a lot of deep research might find an interesting story.

From the great feedback and info I can spend some time looking at all the pieces of this complex picture and see what transpires. Whilst these sort of puzze;s can be frustrating its also quite nice to have the odd one as they yend to lead you in to new directions and occassional rare finds.
My goal has always to prove my theroy that there is a link between the Kent and Sussex Furmingers, this could be a step towards that you never know.

Thanks for everyone that has helped

Have a happy Xmas
Adrian

[Adi1962]

Just think out load here as this is a little confusing.

on 1861 Census RG9 474 F39 P18 William Eldridge b. 1854 Wouldham is with his parents and siblings in Kent.

On 1891 Census he is with Joseph Furminger, his wife Mary Ann b. 1854 Bredhurst (sister of Joseph) and a few children. On of his sons is William b1881 who later married Clara Furminger  His birth is shown as 1856 Walworth.

William married Mary Ann in Bredhurst JulyQ 1877 2a 991

The Joseph Firminger b. Newington, Surrey Sept 1839 4 322 must be the one linked to the Eastbourne family.

Is the mix up of birth places for William, something that has happened with Joseph.

If Joseph and Mary Ann are brother and sister and the children of Francis, then he was possible in his late 50's when she was born.

I think I need a birth cert for Mary Ann to see who her parents were.

[casalguidi]

Hi Adi

The baptism of Mary Ann FURMINGER 1853 Bredhurst is on the IGI http://www.familysearch.org - daughter of Francis and Sarah.

Looking at the 1891 census for Newington, Kent RG12/717 folio 111 page 15:

Joseph FURMINGER head unm 53 (no birthplace given)
William ELDRIDGE bro in law mar 35 b.Walworth
Mary A sister b.Wouldham

I would, with certainty, say that the enumerator has made a mistake ie. he has accidentally missed Joseph's place of bith and entered it agains William then put William's place of birth against Mary etc. - this would all then make perfect sense.

Is the mix up of birth places for William, something that has happened with Joseph.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here as I don't see anything confusing about *your* Joseph's place of birth except that it has been listed as Bredhurst on one census rather than, as it should be, Walworth.

Casalguidi