nat roll of honour question

[andycand]

if i was looking for a soldier who was born in Birkenhead liverpool, would i look for him in the liverpool roll,

Hi

Birkenhead and Liverpool are two separate places, whilst they both come under Merseyside today Liverpool was in the county of Lancashire whilst Birkenhead, on the other side of the River Mersey, was a town in the county of Cheshire.  It might be worth contacting the Cheshire Military Museum at Chester Castle (link below) as there might be some info of assistance in their archives. Thats probably were the Cheshire Regiment was based.

http://www.chester.ac.uk/militarymuseum/information.html


Andy

[westmorland]

hi Andy, already contacted the cheshire museum, paid my £15 for the research, but they don't think they can do much without a service number, so it looks like i will be getting my £15 back.

it now looks more than likely he left the cheshire regiment and joined the north staffordshire reg as the photo i have of him in uniform (according to the staffordshire reg museum) he is wearing there badge and the uniform is after 1908.

the thing is what would the nat roll of honour for birkenhead, cheshire, have come under in 1919-20, manchester, oldham etc,

cheers Andy

[failsafe]

Hi again

If you need to check who was living at the Manchester address for a particular year
you could always check Kelly's Street Directory and the Electoral Rolls might provide some clues.

Have you checked with TNA because he would have received a pension.
Just trying to narrow the possabilities down

Have you got a photo of him in uniform that you can post (in jpeg format)?
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[scrimnet]

The photo would be very useful to see...

Don't ever take the National Roll as a piece of "historical fact". It is not...It has it's uses and I have copies in my collection...

It was a subscription book in which the individual notices were posted by the family or the individual. Most copies have shed loads of inaccuracies, and are not officially sanctioned, thus they do not fully reflect what is on the record.

In fact although it was envisaged as a full and proper account of those who served, the company went bankrupt after only 13 areas were done.

And of course you only got in if you paid up...

[westmorland]

hi there,

kelly's directory is new to me but a really good site, not had the chance to fully navigate around it yet, but will give it a try for sure.
have phoned the manchester central library today and they said i would have to email them the details and they would check out the electoral roll, so looking forward to seeing what that turns up.. you mentioned the TNA?, not sure what that is, but like you say he more than likely received a pension, which has also made me think, because my gt grandfather was killed in 1940 while serving as a member of the crew as a fireman on the merchant ship the SITALA, when it was sunk by a Uboat, he was the only one who did not survive, his body was never found.

what i'm getting at is, if he did get a pension, would he have been allowed to earn money as a crew member for the merchant navy? or even though you were given a pension were you still allowed to go out and work?

i know exactly what you mean scrimnet with regards to the nat roll, although i did find my great uncle on there a couple of years back but it gave the wrong regiment and wrong year of his death, and said he fought in certain battles that he never did.

at the moment for me it's a matter of elimination, it's more than likely the nat roll soldier is not my gt grandfather,
the only reason i want to check this man out is because he was living in hulme, which my grandfather was about the same time, but as you say, not every soldier had ther name on the nat roll.

[andycand]

Hi

I googled and found a list of locations covered by The National Roll of Great Britain and the north of England is very sparce, apart from Manchester, Salford and Leeds that are on Ancestry there is only Bradford.  Nothing anywhere near Liverpool or Birkenhead.

Am I correct in thinking that you found reference to the 2nd Cheshire Regiment from his 1902 marriage certificate? If so, he may have served with the 2nd Cheshire when they were sent to South Africa during the Boer War. If so, there may be a list of soldiers who went and with a bit of luck, only one T Dawson. That could give you a service number.

TNA is The National Archives (link below)

http://www2.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm

Andy

 

[westmorland]

cheers for that, i have been told by family members that he did serve in the boer war, but did not consider it.
but now i will try and find out from the cheshire reg museum if they can help.

many thanks for that Andy, will keep you up dated.

much appreciated

[failsafe]

The 'dog collar' badge' doesn't appear to be either the Machine Gun Corp (or the Cheshire Reg.)
Will check on this further.
If he lived in Liverpool at the time of WW1 he may have joined the Kings own Liverpool Reg
but again i will check on this.
I know it's all confusing, but will try my best to help you
Have a Merry Xmas
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[harribobs]

during WW1 neither the other ranks of the Cheshire Regiment nor the MGC wore collar dogs

that photo has obviously been 'shopped' to improve it, we really could do with seeing the original in a high resolution scan to see if we can id those badges