Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather *COMPLETED*

[ShaunJ]

Sarah may not have left the UK. Under the 1870 Act she would have lost her British nationality when she married a German national. The 1933 Act would have automatically restored it, and this gazette item may be simply recognising the re-admission to British nationality.    

[williamscdr]

This is a real headache isn't it?  If their baby died of syphilis, the it can take 20 years for it to get to the brain which may mean (if Gustav was the donor) that he may have lived until 1925ish as a maximum. I can't find him on the 1901 census or any of them on the 1891 so our maximum window of finding Gustav in this country would be 1892-1925 give or take a bit.

Its not impossible that they left the country, it would be great to know what's in that National Archive folder which has a 100 year's notice on it.

What are your thoughts  Shaun?

[trish1120]

Hi Williamscdr,

I am glad someone is thinking along the same lines as me
As in my earlier posting think the Gustav Paul death I found in 1904 IS a possibility, as it is just after their sons death. Age is a little out but if died in hospital could be fault of informant. Also Sarah died under the name Paul in 1954.


Trish

[ShaunJ]

It won't do any harm to ask for a review of the papers at TNA under FOI.

Michael should point out that he is a descendant, say that Sarah is deceased and when she died, and that he wishes to know if the papers shed any light on her marital status at the time of her re-admission to British nationality, on the whereabouts of her husband (his great grandfather), or any other information relevant to his family history research. The application can be made online.

[skyblueFF]

For the record 1901 Census

RG13 27 Folio 88 Page 17

HEISE, Sarah (b. 1872) and daughter Edith (b. 1899) are at 244 Cornwall Rd, Kensington

Can't see Gustav anywhere though - a real Lord Lucan!

Don't think this is right:

RG131/89/29/16 

Heise Gastav, single 21, goldsmith, germany

But

Julius Heise(b. 1832 Berlin), wife bertha(b. 1845 Berlin), son Ernest b. 1870 Berlin) his wife Ellen and their daughter Florence are at 7, Poplar Grove, Hammersmith
RG13 Piece: 50 Folio: 89 Page:36     

This is right Sarah and Edith were living at  244 Cromwell road. Edith became my grand mother.
Florence was with Ernest and Ellen But she was not their daughter she was Gustav and Sarah's. The goldsmith is not one af ours as far as I know.
Michael

PS I have applied for the release of the Readmittance papers.

[williamscdr]

Hi Williamscdr,

I am glad someone is thinking along the same lines as me
As in my earlier posting think the Gustav Paul death I found in 1904 IS a possibility, as it is just after their sons death. Age is a little out but if died in hospital could be fault of informant. Also Sarah died under the name Paul in 1954.


Trish

Apart from the age this is a real possibilty, but I agree that it could be an informant or transcribers error.  Just checked and see that Edmonton is a London borough and had 2 instutions which might have records of such a death from syphilis (ie North Middlesex Hospital and Millfield House (former work house)) and also Edmonton Federation Cemetery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton,_London

Millfield was still a school - so no go

http://www.parkexplorer.org.uk/park_intro.asp?ID=enf15

[williamscdr]

London Metropoliton Archives:

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/londonGenerations/registerSearch.aspx?panel=results&page=1


Edmonton was in the London Borough of Enfield.  The LMA has Edmonton house workhouse: creed registers

which may be useful

The National Archives show that N Mddlesex hospital has records from 1910:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=20&page=42

before then the workhouse above has the information

[williamscdr]

This is almost repeat almost too good to be true:

http://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/the-german-spy-ring.html

Karl Gustav Ernst hairdresser in Islington of german descent convicted in 1914 of being the 'postman' in a German spy ring.

 

http://www.archive.org/stream/germanspysystemf00exin/germanspysystemf00exin_djvu.txt

I will keep looking but I think we need some detail from the National Archives folder to help focus us.  Although the Karl Gustav news is almost certainly unconnected (you never know), it does show the climate for being of german decent at that time.  Our Gustav Heise (being a hairdresser as well - like Karl Gustav) must have been very nervous.  Perhaps he was interned?

I will keep looking but I think we need some detail from the National Archives folder to help focus us.  Although the Karl Gustav news is almost certainly unconnected (you never know), it does show the climate for being of german descent at that time.  Our Gustav Heise (being a hairdresser as well - like Karl Gustav) must have been very nervous.  Perhaps he was interned?

[skyblueFF]

Hello everyone
 Sorry I haven't been joining in during the last few days, I've been so busy in my business (Picture framer) with Christmas orders.
Thank you all for beavering away finding all sorts of avenues to pursue. Some will be interesting.
I have asked for a review of the Sarah Jane Heise file at National Archives but I expect it will take some time.
I have had the medal card for Ernest C Heise. It doesn't tell much only that he was in the Sussex Regiment .
I am interested in death of Gustav Paul in Edmonton and will order a death certificate.
But look at this 1901 census PAUL HESIE born Berlin 1873 hairdresser living alone in Buxton Derbyshire.  Could it be a miss spelling and this is why Sarah and Edith were living alone in 1901. Was he an itinerant hairdresser? It would probably offer lots of opportunities to catch syphilis.
 
Michael