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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 18 December 08 08:24 GMT (UK) »
If she married a German national before WWI then I believe she would have had to take on her husband's citizenship and would have had to reapply for British citizenship (either through her husband if he was applying for citizenship or on her own later on).

Hello aghadowey,

My German ggf married a British woman in 1878. Only he had to apply for naturalization in 1902, his wife was not even mentioned in the application (made in Cape Town). His brother also married a Brit in 1880; his application for naturalization in 1891 (in London) was clearly only for himself.

I do not believe that it was possible to loose one's British nationality simply through marriage.

Do you have any examples from your family?

Justin

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 18 December 08 08:29 GMT (UK) »
Michael,

I really think your next step has to be to order the file on Sarah Jane Heise from the National Archives.

Justin



I agree, see what seeds come out of it.

David

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=5121732

Nationality and Naturalisation: Heise, Sarah Jane (re-admission), from Germany. Resident in Birkenhead. Certificate AZ3255 issued 27 July 1933.


Closed Or Retained Document, Open Description, Closed For 100 years
This document was closed under the Public Records Act or is exempt under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It is possible to request a review of the information it contains under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and this will trigger a review.


You really must get them to review this file and then post the findings ..... how exciting

 :o

Can someone help me clarify my thoughts?  Is this saying that Sarah Jane Heise (hopefully nee Hartwell)  returned from Germany (that's what I think)? If so how can we find out when they, assuming that Gustav went with his wife, left the UK?  What paper trail?

David

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 18 December 08 08:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello David,

With a bit of luck, the file at the NA will answer those questions. Sarah would have had to justify her claim to re-admission with documentary evidence.

Justin

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 18 December 08 08:44 GMT (UK) »
Justin

Hopefully Sky Blue will resource the document and we canmove forward.  IF Sarh J H moved to Germany, would there be some German paperwork raised?  If he joined the German Armed Forces would there be a record?  If he died - record?

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 18 December 08 09:01 GMT (UK) »
Probably not relevant, but:

Gustav Heise from Chicago (USA) travelled at 06 September 1922 on the ship 'George Washington' from Bremen to New York

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=genealogy&cdn=parenting&tm=12&gps=208_190_1020_599&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.schiffslisten.de/index_en.html

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 18 December 08 09:11 GMT (UK) »
Some listings in Liverpool directories:

1911 Liverpool

Heise Carl, clerk, 35 York Avenue, Great Crosby
Heise Fritz Gustav, accountant, St Andrews Birkenhead Road, Great Meols

1915 Crosby & Waterloo

Heise Carl, South View, Myers Road, Great Crosby

1938 Liverpool

Heise Charles Hy wharfinger 5 Harbord Road Waterloo
Heise Fredk Geo Director 33 Meols Drive Hoylake Wirral

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 18 December 08 09:55 GMT (UK) »
Non Copy Right Extract:

Daily Kennebec Journal
May 28, 1915



(Associated Press Correspondence)

London May 15—The announcement that all Germans In England are to be interned or repatriated has brought a flood of worried visitors to the American Embassy which is now entrusted with the task of caring for the interests of Germans In England.

Most of the visitors are German women who regard with the [utmost?] apprehension the idea of being sent to Germany. Some of them expressed a desire to be allowed to go to the United States Instead, declaring that the task of finding a living would be there than in Germany.

When war broke out there was a large number of German women clerks, typewriters students, commercial travelers and tourists but those with few exceptions have already repatriation [sic]. The women who are here now are mainly wives of German men who have been interned or middle aged. German women who have lived here so long that they have lost touch with their own country. Although their sympathies are generally German, they have no desire to go into the midst of war [??] or to be thrown on their own resources in Germany at a time of peculiar economic tension like the present.

Few of them however have been able to find work in England since the war began with the exception of the German cooks who are apparently just as much sought after in English families as before the war.

There has been a considerable amount of privation and suffering among self supporting German women in England and among women married to interned Germans here. Only one per cent of the German men at large in England on May 1 were employed and there was much poverty. The German government, through the American authorities, makes an allowance in needy cases paid through the German Benevolent Society. The allowance amounts to $2.50 a week. plus 75c a week for each child, and is paid to German wives of interned Germans. The English government makes a grant of about the same amount to the English wives of Interned Germans


I would do some research here:

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Internment

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 18 December 08 10:09 GMT (UK) »
Probably not relevant, but:

Gustav Heise from Chicago (USA) travelled at 06 September 1922 on the ship 'George Washington' from Bremen to New York

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=genealogy&cdn=parenting&tm=12&gps=208_190_1020_599&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.schiffslisten.de/index_en.html


Could be him the age is 2 years out.
Michael
HEISE ,Germany, London and Birkenhead.
HARTWELL. London. Arundel.
CAPSTICK, Westmorland and Liverpool
BUTLER Liverpool
CHARTERS,  Walton Liverpool
GORE,Sefton, Liverpool .
CRUICE Roscommon and Liverpool.
ROBINSON, Westmorland.
ATKINSON,Westmorland.
DACRE, Westmorland.
FORSHAW,Sefton,Liverpool

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 18 December 08 10:09 GMT (UK) »
http://www.agfhs.org.uk/about.html

This Anglo-German Family History Society are apparently very good and getting past brick walls with German Ancestors - I would say join them and enlist their services.

If you do make any advances please let us know, we are 'hooked'! (lol)

David