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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 17:57 GMT (UK) »
as I'm on a low income I can't afford to subscribe to Ancestry

Hi Hunnyb

If you try your local library you should find you can access the full GRO bmd index and websites like ancestry free through them.

I've had a look for Rose in 1901 and wonder if this might be her?

RG13/4370 Folio  97  Page 2215
Stepney St, Sheffield
Joseph Booth head m 53 Steel Melter Sheffield
Alice       "      wife  m 50                      "
Rose Handeller s.in.law w 66              Ireland


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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 23:46 GMT (UK) »
as I'm on a low income I can't afford to subscribe to Ancestry

Hi Hunnyb

If you try your local library you should find you can access the full GRO bmd index and websites like ancestry free through them.

I've had a look for Rose in 1901 and wonder if this might be her?

RG13/4370 Folio  97  Page 2215
Stepney St, Sheffield
Joseph Booth head m 53 Steel Melter Sheffield
Alice       "      wife  m 50                      "
Rose Handeller s.in.law w 66              Ireland


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Hi Barbara...Yes, I'll have a look in the library when I'm next in town.

This would make Alice, Rose Ann's sister? The information below is what I've gleaned from various websites:

Thomas Melford born in Ireland (1814-1878)
Hannah Melford born in Ireland (1816-1883)
Rose Ann Melford born in Co. Mayo, Ireland (1838-c1901)

Apart from Rose Ann and her parents I don't know much about the Melford family. I don't even know Rose Ann's exact death date nor Hannah's maiden name, but I do know that George died in 1888.

Thanks for your help.

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Hunnyb22

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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 December 08 02:14 GMT (UK) »
George's marriage and death records and those of Thomas (1814-1878) and Hannah Melford (1816-1883)

I can't see an entry for Hannah in 1883 in the death index. There is, however, this burial:

Milford, Hannah (Widow, age 67).
Died at The Home, Duchess Rd; Buried on May 14, 1892 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 3042, Section GG of City Road Cemetery, Sheffield.

'The Home' is the Home of the Little Sisters of the Poor. There are 5 others buried in this grave, all different surnames though one other also died in 'The Home'. You can find their names at http://sheffieldindexers.com/ (a free site with no registration necessary). Their burial database also includes this entry:

MILFORN, THOMAS (buried St Patrick's section, age 64yr).
Died at NEW ST, PARK; Buried on December 1, 1878 in Roman Catholic ground;
Grave Number 30, Section BA of St Michaels RC Cemetery, Rivelin.

...which I think is Thomas MELFORD/MILFORD. This looks like a public grave.

No luck discovering what happened to Rose Ann though.

Hugh

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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 December 08 00:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hugh...Thanks very much for your help..

Yes, it does look as though these are the Melford family, especially Thomas as the date and age tie in. I can't understand why, if they were man and wife, they should be buried separately?

Rose Ann's disappearance from the records seems a puzzle. My gran (Rose Handley 1875-1956))was born and married James Knott (1873-1952) i
n Sheffield but moved to Hull, along with her sister Sarah (Sally) so maybe Rose Ann moved with them?

I wonder if there are any descendants of the Melford/Handley families? The family names are as follows:
Melford/Handley/Knott/Martin (Martin being my maiden name).

If there's anyone out there connected with these families please get in touch.

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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 18 December 08 00:22 GMT (UK) »
I've had a look for Rose in 1901 and wonder if this might be her?

RG13/4370 Folio  97  Page 2215
Stepney St, Sheffield
Joseph Booth head m 53 Steel Melter Sheffield
Alice       "      wife  m 50                      "
Rose Handeller s.in.law w 66              Ireland

This would make Alice, Rose Ann's sister?

No, I'm not convinced about this, I found that Joseph Booth married Alice Baxter, who didn't seem to have been married before, and if this Rose was Alice's sister she wasn't with Alice and parents in any census that I can see.  So I'm struggling to find out just how she was related to the Booths
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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 18 December 08 21:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi...This could be a shot in the dark but Rose Ann had a daughter (Mary Ann 1858-?)before she married George but she used her maiden name for the girl. What if Rose Ann had married the father and he died, therefore making Alice, Rose Ann's sister in-law?

I know this beggers the question, why not use her married name? Other than this, I can't think of any other reason why my Rose Ann would be related to Alice.

If Mary Ann was illegitimate that would be the reason they were in the workhouse. The Melford family were devout Catholics (as was my gran) and would not have allowed her to live at home, unlike our more liberal families, she would have brought shame on the family.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 December 08 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Do you have Rose Ann & George's marriage certificate, which should say if she was previously married?

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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 18 December 08 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Barbara ;D...No, I don't have their marriage certificate yet but hope to get it after the Christmas holidays. My guess is that George was her first and only husband as you suggested and that the Rose Ann you found was someone else.

My gran (Rose Handley) married James Knott in Sheffield in 1894 but came to Hull to settle down, so did her sister Sarah (1880-c1970). Maybe her mother came too, that's why we haven't been able to find her on the Sheffield BMD and census records?

George died in 1888 and her family will have grown up so there were no ties to Sheffield. There has to be some records for her somewhere, maybe she went back to Ireland?

Maybe I'm grasping at straws here but on the 1901 Census there's a John Melford/Milford (it gives both surnames)age 60 living in Co. Mayo (where Rose Ann was born) with wife Ellen age 50 and daughter (forget name) age 20, maybe this was her brother? I found this information on a Co. Mayo website.

After searching for the last four years it would be great to finally piece this jig-saw together. :-[

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Re: Sheffield Workhouse
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 18 December 08 22:49 GMT (UK) »
I think the marriage cert would be a good thing to have, that should clear up some of the queries.  Will have another look for her in 1901

Still wondering how the other Rose was related to the Booths though  :)

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