Which certificate will she get ?

[silvery]

So would the father's name that is registered later have to be on the earlier certificate also, where he would be registered as the father.   Or wouldn't it matter if he was there or not?

[Nick29]

As with all other certificates, the registrar will put on the certificate the "facts" that are given to him or her at the time of registration.  As I said in my opening post, my sister took my father's name, so he would have had to have given his consent and his details for them to be recorded.  However, even a "certified entry" cannot be considered as the complete truth on any certificate, because there wasn't much to stop people if they set out to deceive (and there still isn't).  I've heard it said that the father's name on the birth certificates of up to half the children in this country is not their true father - nobody knows the exact figure, but it is quite high, and the named fathers don't know in the majority of cases.

[Mean_genie]

You're absolutely right, Nick. It all lends weight tot he view that we should really be tracing our female lines if we want to be certain about the accuracy of the results.

As the saying goes 'Maternity is a matter of fact, paternity is a matter of opinion'

Mean_genie

[Necromancer]

Hi MG, ta for the earlier info

any comments on how the GRO and LROs work together on these re-registrations ?

[Nick29]

..... It all lends weight tot he view that we should really be tracing our female lines if we want to be certain about the accuracy of the results........

Mean_genie

Oh I'm not so sure about that....... my mother (who was always a bit "odd", bless her) did her best to confuse ...... I know where she was living when my sister was born (it's the same house I was born in), yet on her marriage certificate (which was issued 2 years after my sister was born) she put the address where she was living when she was previously married for both herself and my father.  I know that my father was living with her at the address where we were both born, because it's on his employment records as "next of kin"    She was obviously totally paranoid about her "deadly sins" being found out  

[coombs]

Hi

A lot of illegitimacies are explained due to delayed wedding arrangements such as lack of finances, one of the parents was still married, either to a dying spouse or was filing for divorce while seeing their next spouse.

Ben

[Mean_genie]

But Nick,  you did find out, so it didn't work, did it?

Newf: about the ROs and GRO - I'm not quite sure how well it works in practice, but any re-registrations or corrections would be done at the local office, and the Registrar should then pass on the information to the GRO so that their copy of the original entry (from the Quarterly Returns) and the central index can be updated. This can sometimes be the reason for a handwritten or printed cert instead of a photocopy, because there is infromation on the original entry that can no longer be produced.

I'm sure this worked reasonably well while everything was in paper fromat, but once certificates started to be produced from films of the Quarterly return volumes, I don't know exactly how they manage to flag up the original entries that are incorrect and should not be produced. I will try to find out, but don't hold your breath waiting for an answer!

Mean_genie

[Necromancer]

Much appreciated MG !

but once certificates started to be produced from films of the Quarterly return volumes, I don't know exactly how they manage to flag up the original entries that are incorrect and should not be produced. I will try to find out, but don't hold your breath waiting for an answer!

I've seen the note 'See QYY' a few times now, but never later than the 1940s I think, handwritten on the Index pages .... not sure when filmng started tho ... interesting ....

 

[BumbleB]

I think you're right in that the second certificate would be issued, and the first is totally discarded.  My husband had a slightly different situation in that he was born (in wedlock) but the parents subsequently divorced.  When his mother remarried, my husband was adopted by his new stepfather and his mother in order to change his original surname to the new one (such things were quite common in the 1950s when it was deemed unacceptable to have different surnames within a family).  When his natural father died, my husband was contacted by some official or other as there was an inheritance, however, on submitting his details, he was told that he was not eligible for the inheritance as he was deemed to no longer be the son of his natural father.  He was rather upset about it all, but that was the law!  The inheritance subsequently passed to his father's sister as next of kin.

BumbleB