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« Reply #72 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 17:04 GMT (UK) »
Going back to Abigail Horn who married Reuben Bird

she states her dad as James on her marriage cert ....But look at the difference in ages between Abigial snr and james, the dad ... 20 years.... :o

Do you think Abigail might just belong to Abigail snr and was adopted by James ..or is James her real dad and Abigail Snr her step mother ... I cannot find them in 1841 or 1851 ...but will check again

Found this in 1861
Ashdown Forest
Maresfield, Sussex
Abigail HORN head mar 80 wife of ag lab b Battersea surrey
James mar 60 ag lab b Sunberry? Middlesex
RHEUBEN HORN son mar 25 b Surrey...this is Reuben BIRD
ABIGAIL HORN dau mar 21 b Sussex FRAMFIELD, SUSSEX...trenscibed as Abagirl!
HENRY HORN gr son 2 B WORTH SUSSEX


will read your new posts ...Hi Tatee ...welcome :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #73 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 17:22 GMT (UK) »
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

1851
Lower Beeding, Sussex
Abigail HORN head mar age ? basket maker b Battle
Abigail dau 4 b Sussex breadfield?

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Harrison? Horn head mar 26 basket maker b Sussex, Lewes ...transcribed under GORN
Louisa? wife 24  b Surrey Dorking
Henry son 5 b Sussex Hartfield
George son 2 b Weatherfield? Sussex

writing is rather unclear

deb :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #74 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 17:27 GMT (UK) »
off topic again i just noticed you got james surname wales in your tree.are they travellers cause i got james wales in my tree and later they are in devon.  sorry folks personal message to my cousin



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« Reply #75 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 17:34 GMT (UK) »
 :) :)

Cathay ..sorry not travellers ...The James family very much fishermen/seamen/Royal navy etc ,.

Cathay, Jabez and Emily's first born Athalia b 1903 ..are they BIRDS or TAYLORS?

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #76 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 17:54 GMT (UK) »


 Ok im lost ;D ;D

 What are we looking for now, Bird, Mills Taylor or what :D :D :D

 This one is difficult Cathay ;D ;D

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« Reply #77 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 18:17 GMT (UK) »
that is the question.they are definately not birds.they are taylors but as far as i remember jabez or is son change their name to cooper at some point but i wish carol (night owl )was here cause i think she knows about that.i will go and take a look at some ols post though.cathay
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« Reply #78 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Jabez Taylor (their father) married Emily Dunn on the 18th August 1902 in Fulham, London, aged 21 and was a crater, Father John Taylor, Crater ( I have the marriage Cert)
Picture of the Grave, which reads as follows
Atherlia Taylor (their Grandmother) who died 25th June 1902 aged 64
Emily Taylor (their mother) who passed away 2nd November 1953 aged 72
Jabez Taylor (their Father) wife of the above who passed away 11th Feb 1965 aged 86

This is what my Great Aunts tell me
Jabez Taylor came from Kent because they all went hop picking with him when they were little, and he took them to Kent to live with relatives of his, in tents and caravans, One year he lost a lot of relatives, when a lot of caravans went over the edge of the road killing the people inside,
He took his mothers name because of some feud in the family
His fathers name was Samuel Smith who they think was a gardener and when he died was buried in the Manor House were he worked.

I dont know why he would say on his marriage Cert his father was John Taylor if he knew it was Sam Smith, I cant find a Birth Cert for him without knowing the father, I can find nothing on his mother Atherlia, even in the 1901 Census, although she died in 1902, One of my Great Aunts thinks that he was born in the Croydon area, was always told that the Smiths were relatives.

forget i said cooper i meant smith
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« Reply #79 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 18:34 GMT (UK) »
Athaliah Taylor married Joshua Cooper, Matty Coopers son. They had two children that i know of, William Cooper and Selina Cooper. Joshua died young and then Athaliah 'married' Sam Smith, son of Perron Smith (he being son of Elijah Smith and Sophia Chilcott, who used to travel around with Mattys parents) and Elizabeth Smith (dau of Lol White and Lavinia Smith) She wasnt the widow of Joshua Taylor, but Joshua Cooper, but because she reverted to her maiden name which we all know are interchangable anyway with our gypsy ancestors, this is where you are all getting confused. There are some bits about Sam Smith and Athaliah being the widow of Joshua Cooper in Charles Godfrey Lelands papers, if i can find the right pieces will post them.
The Sam Cooper and Annie Shepherd you are talking about are my grandfather Tom Coopers brother and sister in law. Their father was Samuel Cooper, son of Matty and therefore brother of Joshua Cooper.


another clue but i must stress we dont know the answers this is why i have chosen this hunt this week!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #80 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 18:48 GMT (UK) »


 Cathay is this Atherlia related to them then?

    Marriage Mar 1916

Atherlia Taylor to Edward Guest in W Ham
      Vol 4a    Page 479

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Dance ( Berkshire, Portsea, USA, )
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