Author Topic: Do you recognise this house? The Limes Porthill  (Read 25591 times)

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Re: Do you recognise this house?
« Reply #54 on: Friday 08 November 13 07:24 GMT (UK) »
I hope she turns up soon. I would love her to see all this.

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« Reply #55 on: Friday 08 November 13 23:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone, Ebba here!

Sorry for the delay in contacting you and many thanks to all who have been sending me messages. As you see I'm still around at the same email address, only in the throes of moving house (well, trying to anyway) so definitely more than a bit stressed which is why I've been slow off the mark to reply.

BUT...how really exciting that the house has been found!!! Very well done for spotting it. So StaffsUK, given that the postings were so long ago, how did you remember it when you saw the picture?

Don't know what else to say really...I am just a bit stunned that my original posting (was it 2008? I'm not sure now) caused such interest and went on for so long - but what a result. Wouldn't it be great to know whose photo album it actually was, and how on earth it ended up in a junk shop in Sussex. I'm wondering now if maybe I should donate it to a Staffs library or local history archive. What do you think?

Cheers
Ebba


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« Reply #56 on: Saturday 09 November 13 00:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ebba,

I can`t believe that this thread was started five years ago  ::) , just loved it, but great to know that you are still on Rootschat  ;D  My thoughts are with you regarding moving house - we moved 18 months ago and it was quite stressful.  However, I wouldn`t swap back as I just love it here now.

Regarding the album, like you suggest it may be worth contacting a local history society or the Staffs archives.  I am sure it would be very gratefully received.

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« Reply #57 on: Saturday 09 November 13 09:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ebba,
So glad you are back on Rootschat and able to share in the amazing research by StaffsUK.
I am moving house next year so please don't tell me its too awful. I am dreading it!!!  :(

I think the album would be a wonderful resource to have in Staffs. I agree with mosiefish.

I hope your move goes well.

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« Reply #58 on: Saturday 09 November 13 10:40 GMT (UK) »
I am fairly new to Rootschat so I wasn't part of the original thread although I have read it all since. It's an amazing story and great news that the mystery has been solved.
Staffordshire Past Track is a great website http://www.staffspasttrack.org.uk/
It has lots of old pictures of Staffordshire on there.  It is run by the County Museum. If you go onto their website it gives contact details. I'm sure they would be very interested in the album
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« Reply #59 on: Saturday 09 November 13 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ebba  :D

So glad you came back to see the mystery solved - and indeed I sympathise with your house move - having done it a couple of times myself  :(

I have an interest in local history - mainly the buildings and architecture. I saw your post and the pictures quite some time ago whilst searching online for something unrelated. I didn't immediately recognise the house - and the image of the street eluded me too. I concluded the house must have been elsewhere and not in our neighbourhood. It was only recently whilst searching again for something unrelated - I came across this thread & your pictures again. I thought the only way I could identify the house would be to identify the picture of the street. I thought about all of the long straight roads we have - and there aren't that many - and then out of the blue it dawned on me where it might have been! The rest is history (earlier in this thread) about how I identified the street and the house  :)

I have just set up a Facebook page about our area - its past & present. I posted the images of the house - and amazingly one person responded who actually lived in the upstairs part of the house for a short while. Others have posted who remember the house - and one lady (a girl at the time) who used to call in to meet a friend who lived there. The house was demolished for redevelopment later than I thought - in the late '80s. I understand it was terribly run down - empty and derelict towards the end. The gardens were massively overgrown (you couldn't ever see the property from the road to my knowledge) and the house was vandalised and played in by the local kids. Alas I never got to see the house myself even though it is literally just a few hundred yards from where I live!

It is a great shame the house was demolished - and it has happened to many of the large urban houses standing in large grounds here. The land was simply worth an awful lot more for redevelopment to build an estate of houses as I'm sure is the case everywhere in this country. There are nearly 40 houses on the original plot of The Limes - and the field behind the original house now has houses & a large apartment complex built on it. You can see the map of the area here https://www.google.com/maps?ll=53.039078,-2.221084&spn=0.002151,0.003921&t=h&z=18

Quite how the album landed in a junk shop - who knows... My guess would be it belonged to a relative of a former owner of The Limes living in your area. I guess when they passed away the contents of their house were removed by a house clearance company. It could well have been cleared by the junk shop owner?

I was going to offer to buy the album from you  ;D - but I agree it would perhaps be better if it went to a local archive. I would suggest the archive department at Newcastle Under Lyme library. Porthill is in the borough of Newcastle Under Lyme - so it would be the logical resting place for the album. They have a great archives department - with a catalogue of local photographs which are available to view on request. I checked recently and there are no pictures of The Limes - so it would be a wonderful addition to the Library - and would also allow people to gain access and view the pictures for themselves. Indeed I would love to be able to hand the album over to the chief archivist along with this story  :)

All the best

C.

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« Reply #60 on: Saturday 09 November 13 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Staffs

Yes moving house is in the top 3 stressful life events I think! We have done it before but never with such problems - ah well the end is in sight I hope.

I should have read the thread more carefully as I see you did say how you came to identify The Limes.
Quite astonishing. Apart from the tragedy of so many lovely old places falling into ruin and being demolished it is quite surprising how quickly local memory fades. Some land once owned by my grandparents and their ancestors was sold for building in the 1960's and one of the new roads named after them. A fairly recent street guide for that place supposedly lists the derivation of the street names, but for that road (because the surname is also a place name) the author merely writes 'this street is either named after the village ABC in the county of X, or the village of DEF in the county of Z'. I wonder if the author actually did any research at all, as it's all well within living memory. So at one blow my ancestors' existence and contribution to that area is completely wiped out.
But back to the album, I would be happy to give it to you if you would like it - you seem a genuinely interested person that I could entrust it to (and local which is equally important). If you wanted to pass it on to the local archive, along with the story, that would be good as well. I'm sure the archive would like it but would they really be genuinely interested in the story behind it? I think that if this is what you do then you should write out the full story of 'How The Limes was identified' and affix it in the album.

Next year after I have unpacked and finally retrieved it from whatever box it's in perhaps I can pass it over to you. Is there a way we can get in touch person to person? Would the moderator do this if asked? And last question, where do I find the Facebook page you mentioned?

Regards, Ebba

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« Reply #61 on: Saturday 09 November 13 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Ebba, it's good to see you ack on rootschat. I think that it is very kind of you to offer the album to StaffsUK who I agree would be a worthy recipient, as someone who cares for the history of their local area. It's a great ending to the story and I am happy that in some way the house will live on.

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« Reply #62 on: Sunday 10 November 13 11:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ebba

Yes I quite agree it is amazing how the memory of places fades all too quickly. There were a number of substantial premises here in a relatively small village - Watlands Hall - Porthill House - The Oaks - which were as grand and some more so than The Limes. These & many more have disappeared and are now housing estates. You would never know in many cases what stood before as nothing remains of their former life.

It was partly because I had identified your mystery house that I set up the Facebook page - to inform people about our past architectural heritage. Well since I set it up on 2nd November - we've had over 400 likes and a massive responce!  You can reach it by searching for the wolstantonandporthill page on facebook.

I am so very honoured that you wish to gift the album to me :o

Indeed I do have a great interest in our local buildings and architecture - none more so than those we have lost over the years. I will indeed write up how the album was found and the house eventually identified. I wonder if you can remember the junk shop where you found it? I would be happy to pay for the post and cost of the album. I feel too it would be right that it was eventually donated to our local archives for future generations - so it isn't 'lost' again  :)

I will send you a private message - you can check your messages from the 'My Messages' tab above.

Wishing you all the best for your move - and as little stress as possible!