Simkiss/Humphreyson/Rowley/Tolley - Pattingham

[RachelK]

That is interesting! I suppose, the things we know for certain are, Harriet and Henry married at St Peter's W-ton, but were living in Pattingham probably at the beginning of their marriage, as this is where their oldest daughter Isabella was christened.

There is a definite Pattingham connection because Isabella, Charles & Harriet (all siblings) were witnesses at the marriages of who we can assume were their cousins, the Tolleys and Mary Rowley.

Both Susanna Tolley nee Humphreyson and Ann Rowley nee Humphreyson (who I think were sisters) are living next door to each other in 1851 in Pattingham and say they were born Pattingham. It is a possibility that they were John from Wolverhampton's sisters and that the family just moved at some point? We need to piece together everything we can find, and if you can get access local to you to Pattingham PR's that might prove really helpful?

[RachelK]

Pattingham Humphreysons (from IGI)

John Humpherston ch. 20 Mar 1785 (Thomas & Mary)
Elizabeth Humphafriston ch. 16 Apr 1797 (Thomas & Mary)
Phillis Humphriston ch. 30 jun 1799 (Thomas & Mary)
Thomas Humphrison ch. 29 Nov 1801 (Thomas & Mary)
Shusanah Humpherson ch. 29 Jan 1804 (Thomas & Mary)
Martha Humphreson ch. 14 Jun 1807 (Thomas & Martha?)

Great spellings eh?! LOL. I think this could be our family?

Edit - got insomnia at the moment *sigh*

1851 Village, Pattingham
John Tolley h 56 ag lab Bagley?, Worcs
Susanna Tolley w 47 Pattingham
George Tolley s 18 ag lab Pattingham
Thomas Tolley s 14 ag lab Pattingham
Edwin Tolley s 11 farm boy Pattingham
James Tolley s 9 scholar Pattingham

next door..
Thomas Rowley h 62 ag lab Pattingham
Ann Rowley w 64 Pattingham

So this gives birth year for Susanna abt 1804 (matches up with that christening)
And for Ann, abt 1787.

Edit #2

1841 Pattingham
Thomas Rowley 52 ag lab Y
Anne Rowley 54 Y
Anne Rowley 21 Y
Elizabeth Rowley 14 Y

few doors down...
John Tolley 45 ag lab N
Susan Tolley 35 Y
William Tolley 13 Y
George Tolley 9 Y
Thomas Tolley 4 Y
Edwin Tolley 1 Y

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Rachel

I suspect Thomas and John are brothers. I think they may have also had a brother called William as one of the witnesses at Johns wedding was a Phebe Humphryson and William was married to a Phoebe

I've had a look at the Wolverhampton Archives site and they dont appear to have the Pattingham parish records so I will have to look about and see what I can find

William and Phoebe lived in Wolverhampton too so they may have moved here from Pattingham

Willow x

[RachelK]

Ta Willow,

Yeah from the Humphreysons I found christened Pattingham, the first child John would fit the one we've found in W-ton age wise, who we think is our Harriet's dad. Did you find this William and Phoebe on the census then? Might be good if we try and find them all for clues. Phyllis I found her marriage (to Thomas Stokes 25 Aug 1818 Pattingham), easy enough with the relatively unusual first name and she moves to Shropshire with her husband.

Also found Susannah had a son before she married John Tolley.

John Humpherson ch 17 Jun 1823 Pattingham, mother Susannah Humpherson.

This John is living not far from mum Susannah and aunt Ann Rowley in 1851. He is married to a Maria and they have several children. One of them is christened as Harriet Tolly Humphryson, I suppose taking her dad's father's (or step father's?) name.

So we think there might have been 8 siblings at least? Just no christenings for Ann and William?

EDIT TO ADD-
Remember David said about the alias Newell? Note the gap in the christenings for the couple Thomas & Mary? Found these for a Thomas & Mary Newell?... All Pattingham

Anne Newell ch 04 Mar 1787 (this would fit our Ann's age/year of birth)
Mary Newell ch 28 Jun 1789
Jane Newel ch 17 Aug 1791
Sarah Newell ch 10 Nov 1793

These four christenings would fit in the seemingly large gap there is between John and Elizabeth? What do you think? No William though still lol.

Edit again! - I am getting somewhere I promise!

29 May 1808 Thomas Rowley b & Ann Humpherson s BANNS James Suker/Sarah Grinsill

27 Mar 1815 George Bishton b & Jane Humpherson s BANNS Thomas Rowley/Michael Shore

So this adds evidence to the theory about those Newell children being Humphrysons. The Jane Newel ch.1791 would fit this Jane Humpherson marriage, and the fact Thomas Rowley was a witness (her brother in law?) it surely makes sense?!

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Rachel

William married Phoebe Lloyd 6/4/1807 Wolverhampton (submitted) and someone has also submitted he was b 1782 Wolverhampton

I havent looked for them on the census yet - will go and look now

There is also an extracted baptism of a William Humpherson or Newell 6.9.1696 at Penn so it does look like there was a family of that name in Wolverhampton from a while back too

Willow x

[Willow 4873]

Damn they didnt make it to the census

burial 5 Jan 1824 William HUMPHRISON 40 40 Wolverhampton St.Peters
burial 28 Mar 1833 Phoebe HUMPHRYSON 56 56 Wolverhampton St.Peters

baptism 20 Mar 1808 HUMPHERSON George son of William & Phoebe
baptism 20 Jan 1811 HUMPHERSON Hannah daughter of William & Phoebe
baptism 20 Jan 1811 HUMPHERSON Henry son of William & Phoebe
baptism 7 Jan 1810 HUMPHRISON William son of William & Phoebe

Willow x

[Keomike]

Hi Rachel

My keyname with a connection is Kendrick, Susannah (1787-1842) b. Codsall being my gtx3 grandmother.  Lots of Kendricks in the tree including some born Pattingham, e.g. Thomas Kendrick bap.  1866

Not found any Humph***** of any spelling yet though.

Who are your Staffs Kendricks?

Mike

[truebritmega]

oooh Tolleys! maybe MY Tolleys!, ive only flicked thru the posts right now (well it is almost 2am lol )

but my Tolleys are from Pattingham, and possibly the John and susannah one!...

My gran is ethel tolley, bilston 1891/2 (im saying the dates off the top of my head right now)
with her father being William Tolley, Pattingham, his father being Thomas Tolley 1837, and in Famsearch they show a Thos Tolley born 1837 pattingham with parents john and susannah tolley!

Ive only been researching the tolley line tho about a week, but sounds possible?

I'll look thru all the posts fully in the morn (when im more alert lol )

[truebritmega]

and sorry, this is probably a silly question, but i keep seeing, taken from IGI?... whats IGI? (im not up w all the terms and places yet)