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Name change!
« on: Friday 05 December 08 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

I'm trying to trace a friends family for him but I am stuck with

Frederick John Ruby born Apr/May/Jun 1916 in Stepney London Middlesex who married an Ann Onions.

Fredericks father was Issac  Ruby/Rothstein, we believe he changed his name as he was Jewish who married a female surname Nixon/Dixon.

I have tried all the usual avenues IGI Ancestry but either I'm looking in the wrong places or this one really could be a dead end.

Any help greatly appreciated

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Re: Name change!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 December 08 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Do you know the first name of Ms Nixon?
The birth certificate of Frederick John may be the way to go.

For that matter, are you sure she's Nixon and that's not just a typo in the index?
In Stepney, the other Ruby births around the same time are for Ruby with mother's maiden name DIXON or DICKSON.

Isaac did not have to formally change his name; he could just start using the new name (as long as he had no intent to defraud anyone by it). http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ does not show a name change from Rothstein to Ruby as far as I can see.
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Re: Name change!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 December 08 15:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

A copy of Frederick's birth certificate would give the maiden name of his mother, which might help in the search for the marriage.   Free BMD gives her name as Nixon:

Births:

Frederick J Ruby   JunQ 1916   Stepney  1c  551    (mother Nixon)


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Re: Name change!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 December 08 15:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

I have spoken with my friend and he is pretty sure Issac Ruby/Rothstein married a Ann/Annie Dixon.  Apparently Ann/Annie was married before to a man we believe might have been named Dodds, they had two daughters Elizabeth & Winnifred who were brought up as Issacs children.  Issac & Ann/Annie then had a son of their own called Harry Ruby who was in the recon core then along came the other son Frederick john Ruby born 17th March 1916 He was in the military police.

At the moment this is all I have

Thank you for your help as I'm stuck on this one

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 December 08 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Okay, Ruby/Dixon children:

Harry J. Ruby (mother's maiden name Dickson), 1912
Joseph C Ruby (mmn Dixon, died young), b. 1913
Charles Ruby (mmn Dixon, died young), b. 1915
and then your Frederick.

One of the birth certificates (say Frederick's) will confirm Ann/Annie's first name AND, if you're lucky, also list her previous married name.

There's a possible Annie Alice M. Dixon married in 1902, Poplar - possible spouse Albert Edwin Dodd.  But I'm still not having any luck finding the Ruby/Rothstein (other possible name spellings?) marriage.

Does your friend remember when Elizabeth and Winnifred were born, or who they married?
Or when Isaac and Ann died?


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http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19101011-name-110&div=t19101011-29#highlight
 - mentions Mrs Elizabeth Dixon, Annie Dodd her daughter, witnesses in the trial of Isaac Rottstein, charged with manslaughter (found guilty, but under provocation, sentenced to two months).
There is a mention of him saying something about "his wife" being there to the police originally, although he was there with Elizabeth Dixon, Annie Dodd, and another woman (a daughter in law of Elizabeth).  In court he amends it to 'a young lady, her mother and her sister in law' - and says that the young lady (Annie?) was heavily pregnant.

He says he was 23, and a tailor.  This could be another mention of him, with his father! (This time, as witnesses for the prosecution):
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19061022-name-386&div=t19061022-66#highlight

1901 shows an Isaac Rottstein, b. Bristol, aged 13, in Limehouse, with father Reuben, from Germany, and the rest of the family. He is on freebmd.rootsweb.com as Isaac Rothstein, b. Bristol.

I think Annie might also be in Limehouse, along with mother Elizabeth, 54, b. Devon - I can't see full details of the 1901, someone else should be able to get you the full censuses.

After Isaac was released, he probably changed his name to Ruby and set up house with Annie and her daughters in Stepney. They did not necessarily marry.
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Re: Name change!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 December 08 18:49 GMT (UK) »
JOROSE THANK YOU!!!!!

Wow! I'm just in the process of emailing all of this to my friend and all the names match!!  Always knew he was a shady character lol

Off now to see if I can find him in 1891......


Thanks again

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 05 December 08 18:52 GMT (UK) »


What a find jorose, well done!  ;D



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Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
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Re: Name change!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 05 December 08 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi

There is this marriage

Marriages Sep 1914

Rutstein  Isaac  Greenbaum  Mile End  1c 731   
Greenbaum  Sophia  Rutstein  Mile End  1c 731   

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Re: Name change!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 December 08 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi, 1901 census  Isaac RG13/322/95  Elizabeth RG13/322/94

Jennifer
Stevens /Godfrey /Rudgley /Claridge/ Gipson /George /Bliss
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