Info on John WOMACK

[claypit]

Can anyone help me with anymore info on John Womack b.c1846 in Spinkhill Derbyshire uk his parents were Joseph Womack b.c1821 and Mary Womack b.c1826 and he married Maria Houghton in 1872, what I'm trying to find out is when he died and how many children they had,I know of 1 child Mary Ellen b.c1877,also I know Maria died 1879.

[AMBLY]

Hi Claypit

Are you sure about the place of birth for John?
I can't find him on any census pre-1872 with a POB as Spinkhill.

There is a 'right' aged  John WOMACK with parents of those names and appx birth year in the 1851  and 1861 Census    In both Census , this  John b abt 1847 born Barlborough.  Joseph & Mary  also have among others,  a son Ruben b abt 1853 Barlborough, daughter Mary b abt 1855 Spinkhill, son Francis b abt 1866 Spinkhill  (by 1871 Joseph is deceased).

1851: HO107 /  Piece: 2122 /  Folio: 561 /  Page: 7 - in  Barlborough withim Reg district of Worksop
1861: RG9 /  Piece: 2534 /  Folio: 86 /  Page: 7 - in Eckington within Reg District of Chesterfield.
1871 RG10 /  Piece: 3618 /  Folio: 64 /  Page: 34 - in Spinkhill within Reg District of Chesterfield.

In 1881 : John's sister Mary  is married to William HOLDEN and in their household as Boarders are: her 2 siblings Ruben 28 and Francis (Frank) 14 - plus a 10 yr old Sarah A WOMACK b Killamarsh DBY, and 4 year old Mary E WOMACK b abt 1877 Barlborough.
RG11 /  Piece: 3441 /  Folio: 83 /  Page: 45 : in Eckington within Reg District of Chesterfield.

In 1891: John's sister Mary HOLDEN again has Mary E WOMACK in her household, listed as a Neice  age 14, b abt 1877 Barlborough. Also there is Mary (HOLDEN's) brother Rueben WOMACK age 37
RG12 /  Piece: 2647 /  Folio 47 / Page 12 - in Barborough within reg district of Worksop

Is this Mary E in 1881 & 1891, the dau Mary Ellen  of John and Maria (born 5 yrs after their marriage?) ?
Who is Sarah Ann?  Could she be a sibling of Mary E?  Killamarsh also comes under Chesterfield RD.

FREEBMD Marriage: Sep Qtr 1872 - John WOMACK, Joseph WOMACK  and Maria HOUGHTON on same  ref: 7b 932 - Chesterfield DBY .  Also there is another groom and another bride - that's 5 on the same page - John * Joseph have seperate entries on the image.  (and all 5 have been double checked/ keyed by FreeBMD). Is there a bride missing - or is there some ambiguity in John's name? What does the certificate for the marriage of John & Maria say about John .   What  is his occupation and address at the time of the marriage?

FREEBMD: DEATH:  Dec Qtr 1879 - Maria WOMACK age 30 - Chesterfield DBY
Who was the informant of her death, the address of death,  and what was the cause of death? Does it mention her marital status at all, ( eg:  tt might sometimes say in occupation column if she was widow)

Mary Ellen WOMACK b.c1877
FREEBMD: BIRTH:  cannot find in Worksop (or Chesterfield)  Reg District? Or anywhere?
The closest I see is Mary Ellen HUMOCK, Sep Qtr 1876, Worksop (checked image too). A mistranscription on the original index?

FREEBMD: Marriage Mary Ellen WOMACK  married William MACHIN in 1895 Chesterfield? And in 1901 is in Conisbrough Yorkshire with him and 3 children?  Seems to be her - right age and POB:
What does that marriage cert say about her father?

Cheers
AMBLY

[lizdb]

Have you seen this in 1881, a possibe for young Mary Elllen - with a random collection of rellies I guess!

RG11 3441 83 45
Eckington
William Holden 42 labourer at colliery
MAry 26 wife
Ruben Womak boarder 28 labourer at colliery
Frank Womak boarder 15
Sarah A Womak boarder 10
Mary E Womak 4 boarder bn Balborough

just posting and I see Ambly has got this but gone several steps further and linked it in - well done!

[AMBLY]

Thanks Liz  Snap!

I couldn't see any other 'contender' for Mary Ellen besides that one for HUMOCK  could you?
I wonder if John and Maria had the awful luck of having babies die in infancy...

Having another look......
I think Sarah Ann WOMACk age 10 in 1881  is a sibling to Mary Ellen....... a half sibling born as Sarah Ann HOUGHTON Dec Qtr 1870 Chesterfield.

Wonder if John is with her and her mother in 1871? Can't find him in that Census yet?

Cheers
AMBLY

[lizdb]

Little Sarah Ann Houghton is with her Houghton grandparents in 1871 at RG10 3463 83 17 - but no Maria with them.
The question is - are these people Maria's parents - if so we have the link!

Barlborough
Richard Houghton 49 miner born Worcester
MAry Ann 40 bn Cheshire
Richard 16 bn Derbyshire
Walter 13 bn Balrborough
Adelaide 10 bn B
Christopher 7 bn B
Sarah Ann 6nths grandaughter bn Spinkhill

[AMBLY]

Hi Liz

We're on a roll.....we have a link - just found it: 

In 1861, the same Richard HOWTON is in Barlborough Notts (as was the 1871)  listed as married but wife not there.
RG9 /  Piece: 2422 /  Folio: 57 /  Page: 3 /

His eldest child in house is Maria HOWTON age 11,  b City of F--dington, Nth America abt 1850.

This fits with the 1879 death of Maria WOMACK age 30.

There appears to be a grey area between Notts and Derbyshire, as far as Barlborough is concerned (more folk enumerated as being born in county of Notts than in Derbyshire). Reg Ditrict is always, Worksop though.


Cheers
AMBLY

[lizdb]

Just found that too! (but Oh so slowwwww on Anc)
Wood Nook Barlborough

Richard Howton 34 Mar Gen Lab bn Worcester
MAria 11 dr bn Fordington? Nth America
Selena 8 bn Worcester
Richard 6 bn Derbyshire
Oliver 6 bn Barlborough
Walter 3 bn Barlborough
Mary Ann Hill servant Mar 27 housekeeper bn Warsop? Notts

I wonder if the Mary Ann Hill has become the Mrs Houghton by 1871....?

so - I dont suppose Claypit was expecting a USA ancestor out of this......

[AMBLY]

  Either that, or we've  just spent a bit of time excersing our "genealogical detective genes" 

I'm not spotting Maria in 1871,  nor John....but I could be missing it - half asleep at  -- yikes.....2.15am. Oh, my, there'll be none of this in the morning !      You'll notice I'm getting sluggish as i didn't wrtie out the full Census, bad Ambly!

I have to go to bed! I can't help but have a feeling there is more to the  "overseas" connection than Maria having been born in the US....I wonder what John did do for a living.

Night!
AMBLY

[lizdb]

Goodnight (only lunchtime here, but dull dark and miserable out)

I cant find John or MAria on 1871 either

Be interesting to see what info they gave on thier marriage cert in 1872