St Peters parish / HURD 1832-1837

[Deno]

I am trying to find the death of Thomas Hurd, wife living in Wakefield in 1841.
Searched all Wakefield no luck.
Thank you
Deno

[AMBLY]

Hi Deno

From other posts on the web and 1841 Census:

1841 in Parish of Wakefield, on Nelson Street
Harriett HURD 48, Ind.
With children Henry 18,  James 13, Edward 12 and Charles 9

Harriet was deceased before the 1851 Census and described on death certificate as a 'widow'.

Per the IGI (extracted:
 the 1841 HURD/HIRD  children (and there were others) were all christened in Sandal Magna.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sandalmagna/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sandalmagna/Sandalmagna34.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/WRY/Chapelthorpe.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/CBW/WRY/Sandalmagna.html

From their ages on the Census, it appears the children were Christened near the time of their births.

At age 9 on the 1841, Charles (HURD)  indicates a birth of around 1832, In fact he must have been born no later than 31 Jan 1831, when he was christened at Sandal Magna. So in Jun 1841, he was 9 and half - due to turn 10 in or around Dec 1841.   Another son, Frederick (HIRD)  appears to have been  christened 8 Dec 1833 at Sandal Magna.  Since he's not on the 1841, may be worth seeing if there is a burial recrd for him on NBI and where (as HIRD or HURD)?

So I imagine this is how you are dating the death search for Thomas as between 1832 and 1841 - ie: between probable conception of Frederick  and the 7 Jun Census 1841?

I read on another topic that:
a) Thomas was a Cattle Salesman deceased, as stated on harriet's death cert. What does it say on marriages of any children?
b)  He was born abt 1797.  How is this known?

While Thomas may well have been deceased by 1841, he may not have been - he could be away on his job - though possibly unlikely if Harriet was listed as "Ind".
To the outside observer, he could just have well abandoned the family, in which case Harriet may very well be listed as "Ind" in 1841 and as a "widow" when she died.

Since the last place we can  maybe 'place  Thomas is christenings of children up to 1831-1833 in Sandal magna, perhaps the Burial records for that parish?
http://www.wdfhs.co.uk/pubs.php#parish
Wakefield & District Family History Society

I believe you have already had a check done of the NBI for Thomas and nothing was found?

Maybe this might also help - can't hurt to contact them:
http://www.sandalmagna.com/pages/grapevine/07_12_03_christmas/index.html
The page contains an email address for the Parish office of Sandal Magna, which includes St Helens.

Cheers
AMBLY

[Deno]

Wow, I have never had so much help before,
 I will work through your message systamatically, and maybe this time I will come up with something.
Thank you.
Deno

[headlands]

I have just read your message - I have a Charles Hurd in my family, christened 31.1. 1831 Sandal Magna. married Sarah in 1851 and died 1856. I have his father as Thomas and his mother as Harriet. Various brothers and sisters. Went to live in New Street, Wakefield, where he died. I wonder if we 'match'.

[Deno]

Hi Headlands
Yes I am sure this is one of mine. I have the marriage certificate for Charles, I also have just found a couple of daughters of Charles and Sarah which I am looking into, from the 1861 census.
Do you have a copy of the death certificate for Charles, anything interesting on there?
Actually it is Thomas I am really stuck with as you can see.
It would appear he was still alive in March 1851 as his name is on the marriage cert of Charles and Sarah.
Harriets death cert states Thomas deceased in Aug 1850  but this info could have been given by a neighbour.
I have some other names of Thomas' children if  it's of interest to you.
Please get back in touch I am very interested in your connection.
Deno

[headlands]

Hi.
Tks for your reply - it's nice to hear from someone on the Hird trail. I looked for Charles Hurd for absolutely years after being given some wrong information and finally caught up with him a couple of years ago. Was I pleased!! I have surmised that his father and mother were Thomas and Harriet and that he was one of a number of their children: Henry, Elizabeth,William, Thomas, Frederick, Julia, James and Charles - I don't know if you have these, but I think they're pretty accurate. All born Sandal Magna. Do you agree?
Charles must have moved, maybe with his family, to Wakefield, New Street. Apparently New Street was an extremely poor area the 'lowest of the low' as it was described to me. He became a journeyman tailor. He and his wife had two children (maybe a boy called Alfred as well,but not sure about this) Julia Ann who was my gt grandmother, and Elizabeth who was described on one census as 'imbecile from birth'.
Julia born 21st January 1855 Charles Hurd father, Sarah Hurd formerly Horner mother. Registered by mother who could not write living New Street.
Charles died aged 25 on 12 April 1856. age 25 years, described as Tailor Journeyman.  Cause of death hard to read but could be Artriois pulmonalis 2 years certified is about as well as I can discern. Probably heart and lungs? dont know. New Street is the address.
I believe Sarah moved to Ripon and married a painter (houses probably) called Lamb. Julia Ann moved again to Leeds where she met my gt grandfather Thomas Brown, moved to Bradford Yorks which is where we as a family all lived for many years.
And that is as much as I know I think.
I know nothing about Thomas and Harriet I'm afraid - it's taken me so long to get so far. Nor have I ever been to Hutton Magna although I'd like to and may get there this year. There must be something in the churchyard there...
Hope to hear from you

[headlands]

Sorry Sandal Magna not Hutton Magna

[Deno]

Hi
Well this is a really good match, I think if we pool our resources we may be able to move back from Thomas and Harriet. I have just sent for parish records of marriage of T & H in 1815,
 and also a baptism record for Thomas (of which I am unsure) in 1798.
What I can tell you is that from my records i.e. marriage cert of Charles and Sarah, I would say her surname was Halley, father John Halley looks like couch or coach maker. Thomas farmer.
Charles Hurd  'Taylor'
I think the family lived in poor housing, possibly because Thomas left them, do you?
Anyway T&H children
1818 baptism George
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[Deno]

Hi again
Something peculiar just happened to my previous post, if you don't recieve it I will repeat it later.
For now I will just continue
Thomas and Harriet s children
1818 baptism George