What can I try next

[millymcb]

Nephew Edward seems to be called Edward Rumford (at least that is what it looks like). I presumed as it is a different surname it was most likely to be a son of one of Samuel's sisters but I can't see any marriages for Rogers and Rumford/Romford/Bamford or any other combination. So it may be a so of one of Samuel's wife's siblings....or it is written down wrong on the form.


Do you have the other Census info for the family...I think that this is them in 1881...this time it says Ernest is age 10 and born in Wallasey so maybe the later one saying Acton is wrong birthplace. And I just checked again and I should have said Acton Cheshire not Acton Lancashire - sorry!)

1881 CENSUS
Address:    The Village
 
Samuel Rogers    36  (born Wallasey)  General Labourer
Annie Rogers    30 (born Woverham)
Bessie Rogers    5 months (born Wallasey)
Cyril Rogers    2 (born Wallasey)
Arthur Rogers    4  (born Wallasey)
Frank Rogers    7  (born Wallasey)
Ernest Rogers    10  (born Wallasey)
Maggie Jane Rogers    12 (born Woverham)
Robert James Rogers    13 (born Woverham) Messenger


RG11/3589/21/36


Living next door is a family John & Elizabeth Kitchen - daughters Alice Maud Mary, Mabel and a niece Alice Rogers.   Not sure if there is a connection there but seems possible.

There is a death for a Cyril Rogers age 15 which could be him.
Sep Quarter 1893   Birkenhead    8a   401      

It is quite close to the supposed death of Ethel - maybe if you found his grave she may have been buried with him? Or failing that - maybe with Samuel's wife Annie - who does not appear in the 1891 census and this could be her death age 36

March Quarter 1887   Birkenhead    8a   380    


I was hoping to find some Birmingham connection but nothing obvious

Milly

[millymcb]

Here's the full transcript of 1901

1901 CENSUS Ernest Rogers
Address 136 Wallasey Road, Wallasey, Cheshire
 
Ernest Rogers    28 HEAD (born Acton, Cheshire) Blacksmith
Evelyn Rogers    28 WIFE (born Egremont, Cheshire)
Mabel Rogers    6  DAUGHTER(born New Brighton? Cheshire)
Annie Rogers    14  SISTER (born Wallasey)
Samuel Rogers    56 FATHER (born Wallasey) Foreman water main layer 
Edward Rumford    4 NEPHEW (born Egremont, Cheshire) (hard to read...Rumford, Romford, Bamford - possibly Rainford?)
   
RG13/3406/116/28.

Milly

[millymcb]

And the same family in 1891 ..... Ernest born in Acton again along with the older siblings!  It looks like the right family to me - Ernest born Acton with father Samuel - and sister Annie born right year but you should check against your certificates. Especially to see if Ernest's mother/Samuel's wife was called Annie. 

1891 CENSUS -
20 Walmsley Street (I think that is what it says), Egremont,Cheshire

Samuel Rogers    47 WIDOWER GENERAL LABOURER (born Wallasey)
Robert J Rogers    23 SON GENERAL LABOURER (born Acton)
Maggie J Rogers    22 DAUGHTER (born Acton)
Ernest Rogers            20 SON GENERAL LABOURER (born Acton)
Frank Rogers           17 SON ??'s ASSISTANT (born Wallasey)
Arthur Rogers           15 SON ??'s ASSISTANT (born Wallasey)
Cyril Rogers           12 SON CHANDLER'S ASSISTANT (born Wallasey)
Bessie Rogers          10 DAUGHTER (born Wallasey)
Mary E Rogers     8 DAUGHTER (born Wallasey)
Annie M Rogers    4 DAUGHTER (born Wallasey)
 
RG12/2895/108/10



and

1871 CENSUS
ADDRESS The Village, Wallasey

Samuel Rogers    26  (born Wallasey) GARDENER
Annie Rogers    20 (born Weaverham, Cheshire)
Ernest Rogers    2 months (born Weaverham, Cheshire)
Maggie E Rogers    2 (born Weaverham, Cheshire)
Robert Jas Rogers 3 (born Weaverham, Cheshire)

RG10/3753/19/29

Weaverham is apparently near Acton.

Sorry - still no nearer finding a clue for Ethel!

Milly
 

[celia]

Morris from Free B.M.D this time A BIRTH


Ethel Rogers July 1/4 Month September 1893 Reg B/H
ref 8a 598  births in and around wallasey used to be registered in the old bank on King street seacombe.By a visiting registrar once a week.I registered my kids there
It was for the benefit of those that couldn't get to the town hall in birkenhead.Just thought i would mention that so as not to be confused as to where registered

Celia

[morris minor]

Thank you for all the information Celia and Milly. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.(No computer access!)

At present I have only the 'short' birth certificate, the original.(I am going to get the full certificate

Ethel's birth was registered in Wallasey. You have helped me discover family members that I didn't know about before and will help keep me out of mischief!! 

I will book the film reader at Wallasey library and explore the 'News'. (I will try not to let myself be sidetracked

[millymcb]

Good Luck...

[Certacito]

Thank you for all the information Celia and Milly. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner.(No computer access!)

At present I have only the 'short' birth certificate, the original.(I am going to get the full certificate

Ethel's birth was registered in Wallasey. You have helped me discover family members that I didn't know about before and will help keep me out of mischief!! 

I will book the film reader at Wallasey library and explore the 'News'. (I will try not to let myself be sidetracked

I can't remember the dates but before the Wallasey News came into being, all the Wallasey stuff was reported in the Birkenhead News which can of course be viewed at Birkenhead central library. I found a great great grandfather being done for drunk and disorderly that way. He was fitted up, honest guv!