1861 / 71 Lookup Request for Sarah Ann Robinson

[pnewbery]

Hi there,

Can someone help please. I'm looking for family details of Sarah Ann Robinson who I believe was born around 1858.
This would make her about 3 in 1861 and, obviously 13 in 1871.

I know nothing else about her save that she married William Grocock, my great Grandfather in 1888, some 8 years after my Grandmother was born. So either it was a second marriage or poor grandma wasn't strictly legit! I'm rather hoping it was a second marriage, and it looks possible as there were no other offspring after my grandmother for another 10 years.

I need to get Grandma's birth cert!

Cheers

Paul Newbery

[Tati]

Hi Paul,

Have you found the family in 1891 and does the 1891 census give a birth place for Sarah Ann?

 

 

[Tati]

Oh wait - was your grandmother Beatrice Grocock?

If so, I think you'll find out she was probably Beatrice Ann Robinson:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=204147
RG11/1653 97 4

She's down as David and Anne's daughter but was probably their granddaughter instead.

[Tati]

Likely birth:

Beatrice Annie E Robinson
Jun 1880 Hemel Hempstead 3a 498

There is no birth for a Beatrice Grocock that I can see, nor do I see a Beatrice Grocock in the 1881 census. William Grocock is an unmarried Engine Driver in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=14093866

[Tati]

1871
RG10/1388 71 37 & 38
Flamstead, Hertfordshire
David Robinson, head, 37, Dress Maker
Anne, wife, 37, Grocer's Assistant
Walter W, son, 16, ditto
Gustavius, son, 14, scholar
Sarah A, dau, 12, scholar
Ernest R, son, 10, scholar

All born Flamstead, Hertfordshire

[pnewbery]

Woah!!

Just when you thought you had your family history sorted, some kind soul taps you on the shoulder and says, "Ahem, if you don't mind my sayin' so, it weren't quite like that." 

Many thanks Tati for pointing out the error of my ways and for finding all that valuable information on the Robinsons for me.

I've found a record of birth for a Beatrice Annie Robinson, registered in September Quarter 1880, which more or less fits. Her Birthday was 18th March. Only trouble is, if her name was given as Robinson, that kind of indicates she was born out of wedlock. Doh! Not another illegitimate grandparent!

I'm going to have to get Beatrice Annie's birth cert to find out what's on it now aren't I?

Ain't Rootschat Maaaaahveluss!!

Cheers

Paul

[pnewbery]

Just had a slightly discomfiting thought.

It COULD be that David was indeed Beatrice Annie's father.

I guess that sort of thing is not a modern invention after all.   

Paul N.

[Tati]

I hope not, Paul!! 

It's not that unusual to see people putting down their illegitimate daughter's children as their own children on a census form 

[Tati]

Also - given she was born in Hemel Hempsted / Flamstead, don't you think the June quarter birth registration I posted earlier is the most likely one?

The one you mention  - Sep 1880 St Albans, I suppose - is with her parents William and Frances on the 1901 census, born and residing St Albans.