Author Topic: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders  (Read 3885 times)

Offline atom12

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,542
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carol

Thanks for posting another great picture of Argylls.  The Sergeant Major on the left facing could be Edward, though he looks a bit tired and worn in the photo, compared to the first photo.  The chap in the middle looks like he is the Drum Sergeant wearing a full plaid.  Looks pre-WW1; someone should be able to tell you about the medals worn.
Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay:

Offline scrimnet

  • Global Moderator
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 6,201
  • No plan ever survives first contact...
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carol

Thanks for posting another great picture of Argylls.  The Sergeant Major on the left facing could be Edward, though he looks a bit tired and worn in the photo, compared to the first photo.  The chap in the middle looks like he is the Drum Sergeant wearing a full plaid.  Looks pre-WW1; someone should be able to tell you about the medals worn.


Do you reckon they are from different bns?

There are subtle differences betwixt all three...The chap in the middle could either be the Drummie or the Pipie...BUT his collar is a little different, and the collar dogs don't look like "normal" A&SH...I know Pipers badges are different...Also his cuffs are different...Could the middle one and the one on the right be from volunteer bns? There are also small differences in the cuff edging of the one on the far right...

The one in the middle has his sword in the manner of a Sgt (and above!...but not officer)
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.

Offline scrimnet

  • Global Moderator
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 6,201
  • No plan ever survives first contact...
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 22:04 GMT (UK) »
Excellent pic BTW!  ;D
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.

Offline Fergie38

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 504
  • There's only one eF in Ferguson
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 22:42 GMT (UK) »

Haven't a clue about the photo, just thought I'd tidy it up a bit.

(Idle hands ..etc.)

Fergie
Ferguson (Stirling & Parish of Kincardine) Stevenson (Bannockburn) Cowan (Stirling) McLean (Glasgow,  Dundee & Skye)


Offline LJReb123

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 286
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 December 08 22:20 GMT (UK) »
Folks

what we are looking at is a mixture of drum and pipe major.

All three appear to be  wearing No 1 Ceremonial dress - Sash and Sword .

Note the ribbons to the left of the kilt (as we look at it) - worn by senior NCO's and Officers. In all three they would have had a silk ribboned panel to their left of the kilt (out of view sadly). Black watch boxed pleated kilts and correct hose for A + SH.

Drum majors wore white and pipe majors wore black sporran  straps.

This would make them left to right - Drum Major, Regimental Drum Major (4 Stripes plus crown right forearm) and Pipe major.

Hope this helps

David

Offline atom12

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,542
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 December 08 16:20 GMT (UK) »


Do you reckon they are from different bns?

There are subtle differences betwixt all three...The chap in the middle could either be the Drummie or the Pipie...BUT his collar is a little different, and the collar dogs don't look like "normal" A&SH...I know Pipers badges are different...Also his cuffs are different...Could the middle one and the one on the right be from volunteer bns? There are also small differences in the cuff edging of the one on the far right...

The one in the middle has his sword in the manner of a Sgt (and above!...but not officer)
Quote

Hi

Had very bad flu with complications: Anyhow, had another look at the picture and am inclined to agree that they could be from different battalions, possibly Volunteer/Territorials that have come together for their annual camp. The regimental area covered a large tract of Scotland therefore it would not be surprising that different battalions had not been fully upgraded to the new dress regulations.
 
I know longer feel that any of them are bandsmen or pipers and drummers.  They all appear to be Sergeant Majors.  I thought perhaps the one in the middle might be the RSM, however, he is not wearing a silk sash.  :-\

BTW - Pipe Majors and Pipers did not wear feather bonnets or badger sporrans.  Neither did they wear the normal Argyll hose.  :)

Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay:

Offline Tom McC

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 31
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 December 08 17:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

They are all pre-war volunteers (Territorials) with the Argylls. Left to right:

Sergeant Major (now called the RSM); Quartermaster Sergeant (carrying a SSgt's Claymore); a commissioned officer. The centre chap is wearing Volunteer collar badges and a South African medal.

As Atom pointed out, none are in the Pipe Band, or are accoutred as such.

Aye

Tom McC


Offline scrimnet

  • Global Moderator
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 6,201
  • No plan ever survives first contact...
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 December 08 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

They are all pre-war volunteers (Territorials) with the Argylls. Left to right:

Sergeant Major (now called the RSM); Quartermaster Sergeant (carrying a SSgt's Claymore); a commissioned officer. The centre chap is wearing Volunteer collar badges and a South African medal.

As Atom pointed out, none are in the Pipe Band, or are accoutred as such.

Aye

Tom McC



Thought there was something different...So my "different bns" guess was near to the mark!

Huzzah!!  Getting better with the kilted ones!
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.

Offline atom12

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,542
    • View Profile
Re: Could this chap be in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 December 08 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Great stuff Tom McC, you have sorted the ranking of the Argylls ... thanks very much.  :-*

Scrim ... you certainly progressing with the 'kilted ones' .... steady on now! lol  ::)

Anne
Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay: