Stockton Registration District Marriage 1863 **COMPLETED with Thanks **

[DragonChylde]

Hi,

I have hit a complete brick wall in my research, I am looking for any other information on the following marriage:

Hannah Ayton to Henry Seller Q4 1863 Stockton Vol. 10a  Page 91

According to my grandfather's research, these are the parents of Mary Jane Seller whose birth is Q1 1865 Whitby Vol. 9d Page 392.

However I am having no luck in finding any of them on the census or any other on-line resource I can find, until Jane is married to William Jennison (Q4 1889 Great Ouseburn Vol. 9a page 131) and then on the 1891 census (Class: RG12; Piece: 3765; Folio 117; Page 2) by which time she is using Jane Ann as forenames.

If anyone can give me more information or suggest somewhere else to look I could really do with the help.

Thanks for reading,
Ian,
Ohio, USA

[sillgen]

Have a look at Mary Ann Seller in 1871 RG10 4853 83 52
Do you have the actual certificates?   Whitby is in Yorkshire and Stockton in Durham (just) so having the certs might make it clearer.
Andrea

[DragonChylde]

Andrea,

great find thank you!!! Henery, Hannan & Mary Ann would certainly explain why I have had no joy in tracing them on the census's 

I don't have the certificates as yet, it's a bit expensive ordering speculative ones from here in the US.

The census entries give me whole new bunch of information to go on though... had no idea that Hannah was (potentially) born in Norfolk.. and I have Mary Jane Ann's birthplace as Egton... and a quick lookup hasn't helped me find Lamps Land yet

Thanks so much!!
Ian

[sillgen]

In 1881 they are at RG11 4841 91 15   Henry is widowed.  This time her birth place is Ormeshead.  I suspect they are all very local names.   Might show up on www.genuki.org.uk?
However, if I was starting from the 1891 census information with this, I would not be looking at a family in Skelton as it clearly says that "Jane" is born at Eckington which is near Sheffield and miles away.   1901 says Eckton.  I suspect you may need to get a certificate or two or you might be chasing the wrong line.  Especially with the name change too.  None of her children are named Henry or Hannah either.   Have you noriced that in 1901 they have a James Sellars and family living almost next door?   Coincidence?   Might be worth tracing him back to see if they link up somewhere.
Andrea

[DragonChylde]

Hi Andrea,

yeah I know... welcome to my research world  unfortunately I don't have any of Grandad's sources... I suspect that back in the 60's he did most of it by visiting the local records offices and the like.

As far as I can see, the connection is the eldest daughter on the 1891/1901 census for the Jennison family: Hannah Mary born in Durham Stockton 1887/8. I have searched FreeBMD and the GRO Indices available through Ancestry and I can't find a birth for Hannah Mary Jennison, however there is a birth for Hannah Mary Sellers Q4 1887 Stockton Vol. 10a Page 56. Which might explain "Jane's" change of forenames. Incidentally, the male Jennison children mostly carry Jennison family names, of the girls, there is this Hannah Mary and a Lillian Jane.

Also, the most likely candidate for the birth of Mary/Jane/Ann that I can find is this one: Mary Jane Seller Q1 1865 Whitby Vol. 9d Page 392... The Whitby Reg. District includes Egton, which, phonetically, isn't a million miles away from the "Eckton" recorded on the 1901 census as her birthplace.

I have looked at the 1901 James Sellars, in 1881 that family is living in Attercliffe and I can't find any likely place links as yet.

Naturally, I can't trace this Henry Seller on the 1861 census either... can you see him at all? in 1851 he appears to be at HO107 2375 37 2, the son of John and Hannah Sellars and born in Sleights. His mother Hannah was born in Egton....

 I have tried GenUKI for the various place names, most seem to be in the area of Guisborough & Whitby, as far as "Jane" goes I can't find Ormshead but Ormesby includes the village of Eston (Eckton?), also Easington (Eckington?) Parish includes Boulby. Skelton in Cleveland has Boosbeck, no joy with Lamps Land, Harbourn Dale or Rayth, though Whitby parish has Raithwaite and Iburndale. Whitby also includes Sleights (1851 birthplace of Henry Sellars).

I haven't found Lidnham in Norfolk either making Henry's wife Hannah no easier to trace...

I think you're right on the certificates, it may be my only other source of information to help clear all this up... or muddy the waters even further

Thanks for your help, I'm hoping that this family will be the one I am looking for

Ian

[DragonChylde]

I may have found Henry on the 1861 Census after all... at RG9 3656 6 8 working as a servant in Danby - Henry Sellars born in Aislaby... which is the same birth place the 1851 Father - John has.

What I don't understand... as yet... is if this family spent most of it's history in the North Riding of Yorkshire, why is the marriage recorded in Stockton? would their marriage certificate tell me exactly where they were married?

Ian

[sillgen]

The marriage cert will give place and date of marriage.  Names and occupations of both partners and both fathers.  Also two witnesses who are often family members.
My problem with this is that Eckington is a place - but nowhere near the bit of Yorkshire the rest are from.  Yorkshire is a very large county.  Have you checked all Jane Seller/ar/s births for that time?   Just worried that she may be a completely different person!
If your line is through Hannah Mary, the daughter then you really need that birth cert.  You can write to the local office in Stockton where it was registered and explain that you only want the cert if it is a birth for an illegitimate child - they will not charge to check.  The main GRO office do charge.
Andrea

[DragonChylde]

Hi Andrea,

Yes, Eckington gave me a whole wild goose chase for a while, my Grandfather has Jane's birthdate as Feb 17th 1865... according to FreeBMD Eckington comes under Chesterfield, Derbyshire and I can't find any female Seller(s)/Sellar(s) there in the right time period.

I even tried all Jane Ann's born in Chesterfield or Whitby for the time period and looked for a marriage to a Sellers on the off chance that Hannah Mary's birth was "legitimate" with no joy either on FreeBMD or the LDS Data.

William & Jane Ann Jennison are two of my maternal GGGrandparents and you are right, I need to bite the bullet and order these particular certs.

Could you tell me where to find the address for the Stockton local office please?

Thanks again for all your input,
Ian

[sillgen]

http://www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk/    might be helpful or it will be on www.genuki.org.uk
Stockton is immediately across the River Tees from Yorkshire - a stone's throw away.  There were only two offices in that area in the early days.   Stockton and Guisborough.    If you read the blurb on the teesvalley site it explains it better than I can!
Andrea