MILLER - Census Look up 41/51/61 Shoreditch/London

[neergj]

I'm looking for some assistance please to find parents for George:

George Miller born 19 SEP 1831 Shoreditch and suspect John MILLER and Ann Rebecca Larcher b1801 Bethnal Green could be candidates. Although there are several couples of John and Ann and 16 possible siblings not proven at this stage. So I am hoping some kind soul could assist by finding George with his parents/family and other possible siblings in the 41/51/61 Census.

George married in Shoreditch in March 1856 to
Mary Elizabeth Hillyard born London 1829
They had 2 children
George Hillyard Miller Dec 1858   St Pancras London
Florence Newall Miller about 1857-1860 London (have not found it yet) Newall is a family name from her mothers side.

 George, Mary and the 2 children went to Qld, Australia JAN 1870 From Gravesend on board "Planet Venus" although I have not found that either (info from unknown source)


Many thanks
Neergj in Australia

[Meliora]

hello, neergj,

1841 census
HO107/707  bk 4  folio 3Cavendish St., Shoreditch  Hoxton New Town

John Miller  age 49  Tea Dealer  born in county Yes
Ann age 40    b   ditto
Ann  age 15  Bonnet maker     b   ditto
Mary  age 13   Tassle  maker  b  ditto
John  age 11  b   ditto
George  age 9  b  ditto
Thomas  age 7  b  ditto
Elena ?   age 2   b   ditto

1851  census
HO107/1535  folio 356  page 5
47  Cavendish St  Shoreditch  Hoxton New Town

John Miller  Wid  age 55  Labourer   b  Clerkenwell
Ann   dau  age 26  Bonnet Maker  b  Shoreditch
Mary  dau   age 23    ditto   b   ditto
John  son  age 21  Turner in Ivory  b  ditto
George  son  age 19  Cigar maker  b   ditto
Thomas  son age 17  age 12   b   ditto
Elizabeth  dau  age 12   b   ditto
David  son  age 0  b   ditto

suspect the Elizabeth in the 1851 census is the Elena, not clearly written in the 1841.

1861 census
RG9/1056  folio 73  page 7
3, Manby St.  All Saints  West Ham  Essex

George Miller  head  age 29  Omnibus conductor  b  don'y know
Mary Elizabeth  wife  age 32   b  Essex Theydon Bois
Mary Adelaide  dau  age 4  b  St Giles
Georhe  Hillyard  son  age 2   b  ditto
Florence Newall  dau  age 1mth  b  Essex  Stratford
Elizabeth Hillyard  mothe is law  House property  b  Essex  Romford

Death
Ann Miller
Sept. ¼ 1850  Shoreditch  2  254

Birth registrations

Elizabeth Miller
Mar ¼ 1838  Shoreditch  2  283

David Miller
Mar ¼ 1842  Shoreditch  2  424

The IGI shows several children born to a John & Ann Miller

GEORGE MILLER
born    19th Sept. 1831
bapt   9th Oct 1831 St Leonards Shoreditch
ANN MILLER
born  19th Jan 1831
bapt   13th Feb  St Leonards  Shoreditch
EDWIN MILLER
born   30th Aug 1832
bapt.  23rd Sept  1832  St leonards  Shoreditch
ANN MARIA MILLER     parents John Miller/ Ann Rebecca
born   17th Aug 1834
bapt   7th Sept.  1834  St leonards  Shoreditch
JOHN FRANCIS
born 21st Sept. 1835
bapt  10th May 1835  St Leonards  Shoreditch
MARY ANN MILLER    parents  John Charles Miller /Ann
born 29th June 1836
bapt 30th Oct.1836  St Leonards  Shoreditch
DAVID  MILLER   parents John David Miller /Ann
born 4th Mar 1842
bapt 3rd Apr 1842  St John the Baptist  Shoreditch.

Either of the two birth registration certificates will show both the father's name & the mother's maiden name, to confirm which of the children found are the correct ones.

Hope this helps,

Meliora

[Meliora]

Follow up info on the children in the 1851 census, source IGI

ANN MILLER
born   7th Mar 1825 
bapt  27th Mar  1825  St Leonards, Shoreditch
MARY  MILLER
born   10th June   1827 
bapt  1st July  1827   St Leonards  Shoreditch
JOHN  MILLER
born  27th Aug  1829
bapt  27th Sept 1829  St Leonards, Shoreditch
GEORGE MILLER
born   19th Sept  1831
bapt   9th Oct  1831  St Leonards  Shoreditich
THOMAS MILLER
born  24th Oct. 1834 
bapt   17th Nov 1834  St John the Baptist, Shoreditch
ELIZABETH MILLER
born  2nd Oct  1838
bapt  21st Oct  1838  St John the Baptist, Shoreditch
DAVID MILLER
born  4th Mar 1842
bapt  3rd Apr. 1842  St John the Baptist, Shoreditch
    this is the only one stating John David Miller as the father.

Marriage
JOHN DAVID MILLER  =    ANN TINWORTH
12th May  1823
Christchurch,, Greyfriars,  Newgate St, London

Hope this helps

Meliora

[Meliora]

some more info on the children of George Miller & Mary Elizabeth Hillyard.

Birt
MARY ADELAIDE MILLER
Mar ¼ 1857 St Giles   1b  383

FLORENCE NEWALL MILLER
Mar ¼ 1861  West Ham  4a  16

Meliora

[neergj]

Hello Meliora,
   I Have been researching for my cousin. Thank you so much for all the info.  I am so grateful and amazed. The census info is so essential for research. This will really sort it out for my cousin. She will still have to buy a few certificates to sort things out but now she will know the ones she really needs.
 Was there any John Miller in 1861?
George Miller  head  age 29  Omnibus conductor  b  don't know; is a bit of a worry. One would think they should know where they were born.

The marriage as below that you suggested sounds just right.
JOHN DAVID MILLER  =    ANN TINWORTH
12th May  1823
Christchurch, Greyfriars,  Newgate St, London

regards from Oz,
neergj.

[Meliora]

hello, Neergj,

I wouldn't worry too much about George not knowing his place of birth on the 1861 census, ths is quite a common occurence & some weird variations havw shown up as POBs, some depending on what the enurerator heard or thought he heard.

re. John Miller in 1861

There is one possible showing but wife is shown as Elizabeth, & his age is not quite right,  also John could have remarried.

1861 census
RG9/230  folio 196  page 49
3, Foremans Bldgs  Shoreditch, Holywell

John Miller  age 72  Labourer  b  Shoreditch
Elizabeth M.  wife  age 67    b  Kent  Chatham

Possible marriages
Mar ¼ 1851  Shoreditch  2  353
to either Elizabeth Young or Elizabeth Jones
Mar ¼  1860  Shoreditch  1c  311
to Elizabeth Blyth

There are also a couple of possible deaths

John Miller
Mar ¼  1861  Shoreditch  1c  103
John David  Miller
Sept. ¼ 1862  Shoreditch  108

Hopr this hellps

Meliora

[neergj]

Hi Meliora,
Thank you again for everything.

1861 census
RG9/1056  folio 73  page 7
3, Manby St.  All Saints  West Ham  Essex

George Miller  head  age 29  Omnibus conductor  b  don't know
Mary Elizabeth  wife  age 32   b  Essex Theydon Bois
Mary Adelaide  dau  age 4  b  St Giles
George  Hillyard  son  age 2   b  ditto
Florence Newall  dau  age 1mth  b  Essex  Stratford
Elizabeth Hillyard  mother is law  House property  b  Essex  Romford

A bit disappointed about George's birthplace in 1861 as I still have nothing to link him to his parents. My cousin bought his wedding and death certificate and neither has parents indicated. Did it actually say "don't know" on the original or was it illegible? This is the only document that could prove his parentage, as we still can't find travel papers and every certificate has drawn a blank. If he didn't know, could this mean he was an orphan or from the workhouse?
regards,
Janet.