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Re: Blog: Mundane to Sublime
« Reply #36 on: Friday 16 January 09 12:43 GMT (UK) »
Part 9
       
           Return to the Wingates

           Earlier I found it interesting   that Amelia Wingate a coastguards daughter married a German soldier, travelled around a bit and ended her days as a widowed chadlady in a remote Yorkshire town. Her two brothers Charles and Stephen Wingate disappear from the UK after 1841. While searching for them I came across Mary Blake, a second cousin who married William Peay in 1820 and had eleven children before he died in 1843. IGI gives his death in Chichester, Sussex, England, but the whole family is not there in 1841. Mary Blake died in 1853 in Provo, Utah where four of her children also lived and died. So did William Peay  return home to die ?  There is no doubt that Mary's children converted to the Mormon Faith, her sons had three wives each and numerous children. daughters I have yet to investigate fully.
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Re: Blog: Mundane to Sublime
« Reply #37 on: Thursday 12 February 09 14:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi to all interested in the WINGATE Coastguard line.  You may already have found this but my attention has only just been drawn to it:

http://www.genuki.org.uk:8080/big/Coastguards/T-Z.html

Twelve WINGATEs listed who must surely all be related?  And three others (two WINGs and a WINROTT who could also be.

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« Reply #38 on: Friday 13 February 09 09:58 GMT (UK) »
 The mundane side again

         BATHAM is a name that is found worldwide, yet I find very little evidence of emigration.  There are some in Queensland that I know of, but they originated in Staffordshire and no link to the London families. So I decided to investigate our origins. According to a few websites the name is derived from Beetham in Westmoreland (Cumbria ) where fortifications were built soon after the Norman Invasion of 1066. Adam de Betham born in Westmoreland abt 1080 A. D. . If this is my ancestor I am disappointed, because I have always regarded the Normans as robbers and pillagers. but then,one cannot chose his ancestry. Adam's father was  Roger "The Poitevin" DE MONTGOMERY Lord Of Lancaster, mother  Ademonde DE LA MARCHE  and the line can be traced back to
Roger DE MONTGOMERY  Birth:     abt 910  A.D St. Germain,Montgomery,Normandy,France, if LDS can be relied on. Next is another Adam born 1146, wife Sibilla. Then in 1379 Elizabeth Betham was born in     Betham Castle, Westmoreland, England. She married abt 1400 to Richard MUSGRAVE who's pedigree goes back through various Knights to Thomas DE MUSGRAVE b. abt 1196 Great Musgrave, Westmoreland, England. There are several more examples and Christopher Batham is there in 1703,  Perhaps the Bathams arent so boring after all.
Oh! How I wish I could visit here http://www.edenlinks.co.uk/KENDALWARD/BEETHAM/BEETLET.HTM
               
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Re: Blog: Mundane to Sublime
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 03:27 GMT (UK) »
Part 11

          London connections
         
          Its a long way from Westmoreland to London, but then the medi-eval knights had more than one estate and would also need to travel to the Sovereigns Court. Bethams from Westmoreland are found living in Hanover Squ. London. Falling into disfavour with the monarch would result in forfeiture of estates and a once knightly family could be reduced to paupers.
         The first reference I find to a Batham in London is as follows :-   
                 Recognizance:; William Smith of St Martin in the Fields, smith (£20) and Helen Dunckley of St Martin in the Fields, spinster (£20) for their appearance at the next sessions to give evidence against John Batham for felony; Taken before: Ralph Dobinson; Annotated: To give evidence      Exonerated  WJ/SR(NS)2/120  17 James I [1620] 7 Mar.
           This was 163 years before my first found ancestor was born in the same parish, proving at least that the name was there. Finding a possible link from  John Batham to  William Batham is the challenge

           Strange connection

From   http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/results.aspx?tab=2&Page=2&ContainAllWords=Batham      7 August 1832        These documents are held at Guildhall Library
               
               
Information relating to document ref. no. MS 11936/538/1143419 Insured: John Clayfield, 6 Summers Yard Coburg Row Back Fields Tothill Fields, pig dealer, and the Revd. Dr Hibbert Binney Other property or occupiers: Warwick Street corner of Thomas Street Notting Dale Middlesex (Batham locksmith). [Guildhall Library, Date: 1832.
This strange  reference to  Batham locksmith can only be  William Batham 1783 - 1853. occupier presumably  as I don't think William was a landowner. John Clayfield can be found 1851 census, living elsewhere, but can be connected to Notting Dale because a son was born there 1836. John was a brick labourer, not unusual as there were brickfields and potteries there.
.http://www.worley.org.uk/NOTTING%20DALE.htm.
            But what possible connection can there be to the Revd. Dr. Hibbert Binney  ? a man worlds apart from the squalor of Notting Dale ?
http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/genealogy/binney/hibbert2.htm       Gives the biography of the Revd. Dr Hibbert Binney 1793 - 1857
 Very strange indeed.
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Re: Blog: Mundane to Sublime
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 21 October 10 02:16 BST (UK) »
Its been many months since the last posting here, but maybe some of the Langstroth line are still active.  I have been working on a genealogy of the Longstreths of America for the past several years and have about 80% of them since 1700 into a single family tree (30,000 strong with about 3,500 having the Longstreth surname).  Leave a reply if we might have some overlap in interests.

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« Reply #41 on: Friday 29 October 10 14:50 BST (UK) »
Its been many months since the last posting here, but maybe some of the Langstroth line are still active.  I have been working on a genealogy of the Longstreths of America for the past several years and have about 80% of them since 1700 into a single family tree (30,000 strong with about 3,500 having the Longstreth surname).  Leave a reply if we might have some overlap in interests.
A lot of changes in my life have prevented me from adding to this topic for some time now. I don't work on the tree so much, but I would be very interested to see how the Langstroth name grew. Regards Roy
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« Reply #42 on: Friday 29 October 10 18:23 BST (UK) »
I am providing below a copy of a short history of Longstreths in America that I circulated a few years ago to my relatives.  I may need multiple posts to present the entire document.
Leaving England
The Longstreth story in America began in 1699 with Bartholomew Longstreth’s arrival in Philadelphia from Yorkshire, England. He was part of the Quaker exodus from England to Pennsylvania orchestrated by William Penn. At least one of his brothers (or perhaps cousins), Martin, followed soon thereafter. It is possible that one or two other brothers or cousins came over about the same time, because direct descendants of Bartholomew and Martin may not account for all the Longstreths in America (especially
some in New Jersey).

Settling near Philadelphia
Both Bartholomew (about 30 years old when he arrived) and Martin (about 25 years old when he arrived) settled in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, just north of Philadelphia. Bartholomew became a farmer and businessman, while Martin, at 7 foot, 2 ½ inches tall, made a livelihood as a traveling brazer, or tinker, with a circuit that included parts of Pennsylvania, Maryland and perhaps Virginia.

First Families
At the age of 48 Bartholomew married Ann Dawson, a woman 24 years his junior and the daughter of a local inn keeper (The Crooked Billet). They had 11 children, 9 of whom reached adulthood, all staying in the Philadelphia area, and raising their families there. Some moved a county westward, others a bit north, or south (e.g., Baltimore and Virginia) or east (New Jersey), but generally they remained within 25-50 miles of the Old Homestead.

Martin, the other brother being followed in this note, married a woman by the name of Abigail. Her first name is about all that we know about her. They had at least 3 children, one of them also being named Martin. This younger Martin frequently referred to himself as “Bartholomew, Jr”, which suggests he may have had a close relationship with his uncle (i.e., the Bartholomew mentioned in the previous paragraph). This younger Martin left the Philadelphia area about 1765-1770 with his teenage and young adult sons, heading west into the Indian lands of western Pennsylvania. They settled in Bedford County near the spot where today Interstate 76 heads into the tunnel under Sideling Hill.

Thus, descendants of the two brothers became geographically separated with the second generation in America, even before the start of the American Revolution. The two groups have become known as the “Philadelphia Longstreths” and the “Western (Pennsylvania) Longstreths.

The American Revolution
Many of the Philadelphia Longstreths remained members of the Quaker movement, whereas the Longstreths who moved to western Pennsylvania appear to have dropped their formal affiliation soon after the move. By the time of the Revolutionary War, the third generation of Longstreths in America had reached adulthood. Some Longstreth families in the Philadelphia and Valley Forge area actually had skirmishes occur on their lands and roadways during the Revolution. The Longstreths in western Pennsylvania had sons and husbands who become soldiers in the Revolutionary army. One of these sons, Bartholomew, the eldest son of the younger Martin, never returned home from the War and is presumed to have died during some campaign.

Generation 3 Moves On
Longstreths of the third generation in America joined the early wave of westward movement into newly opened territories. Some Longstreths of this generation, although born in the Philadelphia area, spent much of their adult life on newly staked out farms or in new communities in Ohio –Springfield, Tuscarawas, and Fort Ancient appear in the records. Most of the Longstreths of Bedford County left there during this generation, heading onward. One brother took his family north, settling near Pittsburgh; another brother moved his family to the southeast corner of Pennsylvania, while the family of a third brother moved to eastern Ohio, just south of Zanesville.  Even now most of the Longstreths around Pittsburgh can trace their ancestry, replete with coal miners and oil field workers, back to one brother who moved there about 1800. Most of the Longstreths in southwest Pennsylvania and West Virginia can trace their ancestry of farmers and coalminers back to another brother who moved there about 1820, and to this day, most of the Longstreths living in Ohio east of Columbus and south of Akron can trace their ancestry of farmers, coal miners and pottery makers, to the third brother whose family settled in Morgan and Perry Counties about 1815.

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« Reply #43 on: Friday 29 October 10 18:30 BST (UK) »
Continuation of the Longstreth history in America

Generation 4
Generation 4 continued the movement begun by generation 3. Even more families living in western Pennsylvania pulled up stakes and headed westwards, settling in western Ohio (around Dayton was popular) and eastern Indiana. Families leaving the Philadelphia area during this generation moved to central Ohio (in or near Columbus), western Ohio (near Dayton), and Meigs County (near the border with West Virginia).

These westward migrations now brought small collections of the two Longstreth branches (one branch being Bartholomew’s descendants and the other being Martin’s descendants), separated for 2-4 generations, back into close proximity to each other. All signs indicate that these two converging family lines were no longer aware of their common heritage, even though only 100-150 years had past. To this day the Dayton, Ohio area contains a mix of descendants of Bartholomew Longstreth and descendants of Martin Longstreth (and another group also, but I hope to come back to that later).

Generations 5 and 6
The next migration wave in the Longstreth families began around 1850, continued through the Civil War and until about 1880. The predominant destination in this round was the upper Midwest, especially Iowa and Missouri. Iowa had a least four independent foci of Longstreth settlers within a 25 year span –three Longstreth siblings from Philadelphia moved their families to Muscatine (eastern Iowa); two siblings from Dayton, Ohio (descendants of the western PA line) moved their families to Letts, just a few miles from Muscatine; three siblings and at least two cousins moved their families from eastern Ohio (Morgan/Perry counties) to Union County (south central Iowa); and finally, three or more siblings from West Virginia moved their families to Iowa County (central Iowa). Longstreth families from Morgan/Perry counties settled in northern Missouri, Kansas and South Dakota; at least two families from Philadelphia went to St. Louis; and another family left New Jersey for Kansas.

By 1880 Longstreths could be found in most of the northern states from Pennsylvania to Kansas, but almost none had headed south except for the border states of Maryland, Virginia and Missouri, although many had business connections in southern cities. Many Longstreths were soldiers in the Civil War - Longstreths from Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri and Iowa can be found on the rosters of the Union Army. I have not yet come across any Longstreths in the Confederate army, but that does not mean there weren’t some. This pattern may just be the result of the vast majority of the Longstreth migration in the 1700s and 1800s being westward across northern states. However, one cannot discount the strong Quaker heritage in the family. Several branches of the Longstreth family contained outspoken and active Abolitionists, and there are numerous tales within the family of ancestors acting as way stations on the underground railroad.


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« Reply #44 on: Friday 29 October 10 18:35 BST (UK) »
Continuation of the Longstreth history in America

Generations 6 and 7
Recovery from the Civil War coincided with the opening of vast new territories from North Dakota to Oklahoma, and from the Missouri River to the Rocky Mountains. The economics of the country were also changing rapidly during this time. Migrating Longstreths included, in addition to the usual farmers, many employed in industries (coal mining, oil fields, railroads, steel plants, construction), and the service sectors (real estate, insurance, medicine). Oil workers from the Pennsylvania oil fields moved to Oklahoma and Texas; farmers from Ohio, Indiana, Iowa and Missouri moved to Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma to homestead. The Dakotas attracted two Longstreth physician families – one from Ohio, the other from Iowa. Teachers and war veterans from Iowa moved to Arkansas; blacksmiths, coal miners and construction workers fanned out across the new western lands and became farmers, real estate agents, railroad workers, and even a gold miner or two.

In addition to the westward and southwestward migrations, for the first time we encounter Longstreths migrating back east. Part of this was related to education with sons and daughters being sent to prestigious eastern schools as families gained more wealth, but also, occupations were changing as urbanization crept westward. The maturing country found Longstreths who grew up in the former frontier area choosing to practice their crafts and professions in the large governmental, financial, cultural, teaching and research centers of the east coast. Families that had left the east coast nearly 200 years before, now saw their sons and daughters heading back to the lands of the original homesteads to find their place in society. (Actually some family members have taken the historical return route so far as to end up back in England.

Generations 7 and 8
Are you wondering when the Longstreths got to California? Longstreth adventurers were visiting California, by sea and by land almost from the beginning of California’s emergence as a commercial destination. However, the 1900 census is the first to find a significant number of Longstreth families settled there. That is also the first census to show Longstreths living in Washington state and Oregon, suggesting that settling the west coat was the result of another wave of migration. The families appearing on the west coast came from Philadelphia, western Pennsylvania, Ohio and Kansas (and one Longstreth family claiming to be from Mexico).

By the 1930 to 1950s, Longstreths were located throughout the continental United States, in Alaska and Hawaii and several provinces of Canada. There are also anecdotal reports of family members settling in Mexico, or further south in Latin America. Today, 300 years after landing in Philadelphia, Longstreths can be found in almost all the states of the US, with the largest numbers residing in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan (moving there from Pennsylvania to work the auto plants, and from Ohio to farm the orchards), California and Florida. It appears that 90% or more of the Longstreths alive in the US today are direct descendants of either Bartholomew or Martin Longstreth (the two brothers mentioned at the beginning of this note). There are some Longstreths, especially in a line historically connected to New Jersey that may be descended from one or more other Longstreths. Then, there is the Longstreth branch that originated in Ohio and Indiana area about 1900. Literally, they originated there, the result of a name change about 1918 when a family of three decided to change their last name, and the name they chose was “Longstreth”. Descendants of that family have kept the name Longstreth.

Here ends this short rendition of the first 300 years of the Longstreth family settling in America. It is fairly safe to guess that when you meet another Longstreth, you are probably related (unless you know you are part of the small group originating with the name change in Ohio). The current generation of Longstreths (those being born near the beginning of the 21st century) are typically the 10th generation of Longstreths in America. The most distantly related individuals will be 9th cousins to each other, their common ancestor being 11 generations back (Christopher Longstreth of Yorkshire, England).