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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 February 05 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Again, thanks everyone for your efforts.  Unfortunately I don't know much about Berts siblings, other than their names.  I have quizzed Mum this afternoon and she isn't sure about when these relatives may have died, but does think they lived longer than her grandfather (Bert) who was only 55 when he died, and they all lived in the Pontefract district so I'm guessing the whole family came to this area of Yorkshire at some point.  It would be a guess, but I think Bertram may have been the eldest of the four children, so perhaps there's the possibility of finding something out about his brother/sisters that will lead me to their ancestors.

There is a slight discrepancy between the ages recorded on Berts marriage entry in 1917 (Age 22) and his death in 1852 (Age 55) - perhaps he told a fib or two to join the army?

I will look again at the varients for the surname - I think I did come across an Abraham Wilks who was a Singler on the 1881 census in Wednesbury, Staffordshire who had a son Samuel, but when I followed them to the next census the trail went cold - perhaps I should re check!! 

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Shelly
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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 February 05 19:03 GMT (UK) »
 continue  your research and dont give up u will sucess good luck

azza :) :)
I AM TRACING MY FAMILY IN WITHERSFIELD. GRANDMOTHER IS HILDA MAY ARTHUR JACOBS. HER MOTHER IS CHARLOTTE JACOBS FORMERLY VIETTERIDGE. COUSINS SURNAMES BRADNAN. HAVE HOPE TO FIND THEM.

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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 February 05 19:13 GMT (UK) »
Graham.  I can read the handwriting on the medal card, but can't make out the typed headers of the card itself so don't really know what the reference numbers mean - any ideas?

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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk<br /><br /><br />Addy/Addey, Agar, Tate, Heald, Hobman, Battle, Cawood, Thompson, Wilkes, Lucas, Evans, Foskette/Foxcotte/Foscott (Mainly Yorkshire, Staffordshire & Buckinghamshire)

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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 February 05 20:58 GMT (UK) »
TRY THESE:
  Name            Corps                Rank                Regt No.


  Medal               Roll.  Page.                Remarks
VICTORY
BRITISH
STAR                                                     
     

Theatre of War first served in
Date of entry therein                                                                 K1380.

[From my Great Uncle's Medal card in 1915]
Warwicks: Whitehead, Allcock, Atkins, Bayley, Beacham, Bilson, Brooks, Cleaver,Farmer,Gilks, Lucas, Kendall, Oliver, Pickard, Shilton, Underhill.
Lincs: Kendall, Clark, Morley,Vincent, Withers, Barlow,Dawson.
Leics. Vincent
Notts: Bardill, Bugg, Morley, Winfield
Dublin: Brooks, Flood.

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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 06 February 05 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Graham..... Bertram's card reads

Name                  Corps                       Rank                   Regt. No.
WILKES               Yorkshire  L.I.           Pt.                         3342
Bertram               Late? Corps               "                        609069

Medal                  Roll.                 Page             Remarks
VICTORY              LC/101B235   23933
BRITISH                -------------"----------
STAR (15)            LC/5102         W/8617

Theatre of War frst served in     1
Date of entry therein                  19.8.15                 K????


Hopefully from this info I should be able to find out more!  On his marriage record  in Feb 1917 he states his age as 22, so he should have been 20 when he joined the KOYLI, but his death record in April 1952 shows him as 55, making him around 18 in 1915 - still old enough to join the army so I don't see the point in fibbing!??!?!

If only they had text messenging 'on the other side'!!! lol

Shelly



Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk<br /><br /><br />Addy/Addey, Agar, Tate, Heald, Hobman, Battle, Cawood, Thompson, Wilkes, Lucas, Evans, Foskette/Foxcotte/Foscott (Mainly Yorkshire, Staffordshire & Buckinghamshire)

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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 06 February 05 12:02 GMT (UK) »
he was more than likely 'fibbing' as even the men had to have parent's permission to marry before the age of 21yrs back then
   Corbie :)
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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 06 February 05 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Good thinking Corbie.....I wonder if he was also fibbing about his father, saying he was deceased when perhaps he wasn't!?!?  The mystery just gets deeper.

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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 16 February 05 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Found this family on 1901 ... no sign of Bertram BUT there is an Abraham (Grandad), Samuel (Father) and a Maud (daughter) .... Samuel is an iron worker - puddler.  There is always the possibility that his ages are wrong on all 3 counts - my grandfather is 10 years older than he should be on his marriage cert for no obvious reason!

1901 Census

Abraham Johnson 58  Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Head  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Eliza Johnson 64  Nk, Shropshire, England Wife  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Saml Johnson 5  Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Adopted Son  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Job Wilkes 1  Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Grandson  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Lily Wilkes 10  Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Maud Wilkes 6  Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Sam Wm Wilkes 4  Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Grandson  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Samuel W Wilkes 33  Tipton, Staffordshire, England Son-in-law  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
Sarah Wilkes 34  Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter  Sedgley  Staffordshire   
 


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Re: No trace - what else can I try?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 16 February 05 19:54 GMT (UK) »
I'm doubtful this is the right family beansoup, but I thank you for taking the time to look - Mum is pretty certain there were only 3 siblings for Bert - Abraham, Maud & Mary and she thinks they were all younger than her grandfather Bertram - but then again.....she could be wrong.  Bert, Abe, Maud & Mary all lived in Yorkshire but there could have been other family we weren't aware of - especially as they may have been born outside Yorkshire.

As yet, I haven't come across any records for his siblings in Yorkshire - the joys of family history!
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk<br /><br /><br />Addy/Addey, Agar, Tate, Heald, Hobman, Battle, Cawood, Thompson, Wilkes, Lucas, Evans, Foskette/Foxcotte/Foscott (Mainly Yorkshire, Staffordshire & Buckinghamshire)
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