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Offline EddieW

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Marriage in Howden 1788
« on: Thursday 20 November 08 13:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Can someone check a marriage in Howden please of Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Jackson 24 Nov 1788.
I would like to know if Thomas is from that parish or from Lincolnshire (Winterton)
The marriage is in IGI but no children in the area
Just a prosess of elimination as Thomas doesn't seem to have got married in Winterton
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Re: Marriage in Howden 1788
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 November 08 14:36 GMT (UK) »
Eddie,

I'll take a look at the Howden PRs next time I go to the East Yorks RO - probably next week.

Jill
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 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.

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Re: Marriage in Howden 1788
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 November 08 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Jill
Thats real good of you and really appreciated

Eddie

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Re: Marriage in Howden 1788
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 14:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Eddie,

I checked out that Howden marriage this morning -

Thomas Smith is of the parish of Bubwith & Elizabeth Jackson is otp.

Witnesses: Mary Thompson & Thos (?Syred) - the surname was very difficult to make out.

Bubwith is very near Howden. I wouldn't rule it out, as Winterton is only the other side of the Humber. Thomas may have lived in Bubwith for a while but still originated in Winterton. If there are no children born to the couple in  Howden , might they have ended up in Bubwith or back in Winterton? I have ancestors in Howden who intermarried with people from Adlingfleet which is also just over the river.

Jill
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 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.


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Re: Marriage in Howden 1788
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jill
I read somewere that marriages sometimes crossed over into Yorkshire so had to check it out.
Seems like more research needed before accepting this one
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Re: Marriage in Howden 1788
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 December 08 23:19 GMT (UK) »
Ah I know this Thomas Smith of Bubwith. He was from an old farming family in the Bubwith area since the 17thC.  and he crops up quite often in the 1780s and 90s Bubwith churchwarden's accounts which you can find at the Borthwick Institute, York University, as he was often a churchwarden in the parish. He couldn't sign his name, but had his own distinctive mark! 

He didn't come from Bubwith, wed at howden, and then go to Winterton - but returned to Bubwith back to his farm. I know that as he continued to sign off sections of the churchwardens' accounts into the 1790s.


The fact he was wed at Howden the first time round,  has no profound signficance as I see his wife was from Howden.... but... Bubwith folk do seem to have used Howden Minster as much as their own parish church, with or without a Howden connection.  If the entry says he is Thos Smith of Bubwith, then I'm pretty certain he is the churchwarden, who was widowed and took a second wife - he lived and died in Bubwith but like so many Bubwith folk, wed at Howden. (Locals pronounce it 'Bub-ith' BTW!) He returned to Bubwith with Wife No 1, as he continues to appear as churchwarden and his wife died there.

I am a direct descendant of his second wife, Judith Hepton. He was widowed from this first wife, and married Judith in Bubwith 12.8.1794.  Thomas died 20.4.1803, Bubwith. I don't know about children from the first marriage and would be very interested to know if there were any, as my Judith had an illegitimate baby, Paul,  ten years before she married Thomas Smith. We have been unable to find any records of who Paul's father was, but somehow doubt it was Smith as Paul did not inherit the Smiths' farm, and ended up a cordwainer, later a labourer.  Also Paul retaned the surname Hepton, never using 'Smith' to our knowledge.

It seems he was sent away to Howden and apprenticed out, probably not long after Judith married Thomas Smith. Had he been the natural father, Paul would surly have had a happier ending!  The Heptons were another yeoman farming family, like the Smiths.  It's worth being aware that Bubwith is a parish made up of several different villages/hamlets, including Gunby, Breighton, and Foggathorpe along with others.  Smith and his father, Timothy Smith,  appear to have been churchwardens on and off over  a long period of time.

Judith died in 1820, in Bubwith.

I should add, there are two Smith families in Bubwith that appear to be unconnected. One is a family of labourers, the other a farming family. So be a bit wary when researching Bubwith you have the right Smiths.

I live fairly locally, and have been unable to locate a grave for 'our' Smiths, although there are plenty of Hepton graves.

Local people often used Howden Minster for ceremonies, no real idea why, they just did. As recently as the 1970s, a relative of mine who lived in Wressle, had her funeral at Howden. It has no real deep significance. I have several ancestors who didn't live in Howden, but were married there.

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Re: Marriage in Howden 1788
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 December 08 12:27 GMT (UK) »
That clears up the chance of that marriage being the one i was looking for.
All the children i know of were born in Winterton
It was just a thought with it being close to Winterton, as the marriages in Lincolnshire of Thomas Smith and Elizabeth close to Winterton seem to be a few years before the first child or are miles away with children in the same area of the marriages found.

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Eddie.

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Re: Marriage in Howden 1788
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 December 08 14:27 GMT (UK) »
That's a shame, Eddie.

Have you already discounted this marriage (IGI) -

13 May 1784 Thomas Smith & Elizabeth Storry at Winteringham, Lincs (about 2 or 3 miles from Winterton)?

Jill
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 BATHSHEBA BOOTHROYD bn c. 1802 W. Yorks.

Baptism nowhere to be found. Possibly in a nonconformist church near ALMONDBURY or HUDDERSFIELD.