Who is Arthur Cordell?

[Corfe]

i am trying to locate the details of my wifes great grandfather - Arthur Cordell.

I know that he married in 1911 to an Alice Haysom aged 51 (having previously been widowed).  Listed on his marriage certificate are his dads details (William Cordell - deceased at this time - who was an agricultural labourer).

I cannot find anyone named Arthur Cordell on the BMD website born around 1859?  Perhaps his parents never registered the birth?  Anyway I was hoping that someone would be willing to do some searching on the census records to see if they can find his details around this time so that I can establish more information about his parents/siblings etc.

I think I have found him aged 22 on the 1881 census married to someone called Agnes, with 2 children named Agnes and Elizabeth.



Also of interest is on the marriage certificate in 1911 are two witnesses by the names of George and Gertrude Cordell.  I suspect that this is a son/wife or daughter/husband situation - and think this could be confirmed if I could see any census records.

Marriage was registered in the district of West Ham - but records seem to indicate Essex/London/Middlesex?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

I thought that all births had to be registered?  Could it be that if his father was a farm labourer that he didn't do it to save money?

Thanks again

Corfe

[Tati]

Hi Corfe,

Here's a possible - not sure he's the one married to Agnes though

1861
RG9/1064 51 8
Epping, Essex
William cordel, head, 30, Ag lab, b. Rye Mill Epping
Jane, wife, 29, b. Epping
James, son, 5, scholar, b. do.
Anne, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
Arthur, son, 1, scholar, b. do.

 

[avm228]

Hi

All births were meant to be registered from 1 Jul 1837, though until 1875 the onus was on the registrar to seek them out rather than on the parents to notify the registrar.  In reality, compliance by 1859 was pretty good, so I wouldn't conclude just yet that his birth went unregistered.

If the 1881 chap (married to Agnes) is yours, his birthplace was given as Camberwell. Modified: I think Tati's Epping chap looks more promising!

Will see what more I can see

Anna

[avm228]

Hi Tati

That Epping chap looks good - he's unmarried in 1881 and in service in Woodford: RG11/1734/90/19.

He seems to marry a Margaret S after that...

Anna

[Tati]

This man is married to a Margaret S on later censuses, and has a son George!

1901
Chingford, Essex
RG13/1637 36 13
Arthur Cordell, head, 41, Turncock to E? L? Water Co, b. Epping
Margeret S, wife, 44, b. Suffolk Chellsford?
George J, son, 12, Green Grocer's Assistant, b. Essex Buckhurst Hill
Albert A, son, 10, b. do.
Frederick A, son, 9, b. Essex Woodford
+ 2 boarders

 

[Tati]

Only marriage of a George Cordell to a Gertrude ...

Sep 1909 West Ham 4a 773
George James Cordell - Gertrude Annie Ruskin

Son George was George J in 1901 ...

[avm228]

Possible first marriage of Arthur:

Arthur Cordell
Margaret Read
Sep 1881
Epping 4a 221  

[Tati]

Arthur's mum is already widowed in 1871. Happy to post the details if you feel we've found your man. What was Arthur's occupation when he married in 1911?

 

[Tati]

Anna - can you see Arthur's birth registration or his parents' marriage?