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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #45 on: Friday 25 September 09 09:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Jayne - The Obadiah I have did not come from Germany.  He was born to a long line of Mayers (also spelt Mare, Meare, Mere etc) from Staffordshire.  As I did not do the tree it is possible that the marriage information is incorrect and there is another Obadiah Mayer.

I do not have any of the other names so I don't think I am going to be able to help.
Maggie 

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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 18 October 09 15:03 BST (UK) »
Hi my name is Robert Leigh and my ancestor was Alice Mare ch 30/6/1747 Norton on the Moors daughter of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes who married John Ford 1/11/1764 at St Peter's Parish Church, Stoke on Trent, her siblings were Deborah Mare ch 17/11/1745 who married John Repton, Catherine Mare, Benjamin Mare, Mary Mare, Ellen Mare and Stephen Mare.

I am trying to find out further information for this Mare family in Norton on the Moors and see if my John Ford who married Alice Mare is part of the Ford family from Ford Green Hall in Smallthorne. A lot of clues found seem to point to this and John Repton husband of Deborah Mare sister of my Alice Mare had a sister Mary Repton who married Hugh Ford of Sprag house, Norton on the Moors which shows that the Mare, Repton and Ford families knew each other and socialized and intermarried along with the Adams family.

Any help appreciated
Robert

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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 18 October 09 15:39 BST (UK) »
I am only tracing the Mayer family, seem to be stuck at late 1790's and Obhadiah Mayer who's son was called Samuel

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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #48 on: Monday 19 October 09 00:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Robert

I have looked at my copy tree but could not find an Alice Mare with the right details.  I have found the following: Francis Meare married Sarah Beech in 1681 and their son Francis married Dorothy Repton daughter of Rev John Repton of Stoke incumbant of Norton. 

Their son Francis of Norton Green Hall married Ellen Ford the daughter of Hugh Ford of Sprag House and Sarah who in 11/2/1732 remarried John Rowley.  (Ellen's grandfather 1642 of Ford Green Gent).

They had seven children: Francis of Norton Green Hall (married Ann Parr and was last to hold estate), Mary, Sarah, Dorothy, Susanna, William and Thomas.

The gentleman who constructed the tree did not go into such detail on this branch and it does not show all the marriages and children.  There were certainly a lot of marriages between the Mayers, Fords, Reptons and Adams families.  They also tended to use the same christian names 

If you can make the connection to Francis please let me know and I can give you his ancestors.

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Magie





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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #49 on: Monday 19 October 09 15:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Magie
In the will of my John Ford dated 1810 a yeoman of Odd Rode, Astbury it mentions his wife Alice Ford (nee Mare), John Mare and Stephen Mare of Milton, Staffordshire.
The Will of John Mare of Norton in the Moors a gentleman proved 3/5/1811 his executors were Mary Mare of Milton (i assume to be his wife, Stephen Mare of Stoke Upon Trent and Richard Dean of Burslem
and also the children of John Mare of Milton ie Sarah Mare . Mary Mare who later married William Harrison in 1811, Elizabeth Godwin (nee Mare) as she was already married in 1804 to Arthur Godwin and John Mare
This seems to show that John Mare of Milton and Stephen Mare and my Alice Mare are all related and connected to land around Sprag house in Norton in the Moors as you will see from documents mentioned below and therefore very likely to be connected to the Ford family of Ford Green hall and the Repton Family. I have the christenings which show Stephen Mare and Alice Mare being the children of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes but am still looking for the christening of John Mare of Milton who's will was proved in 1811 to see if he is their brother or a cousin. The fact that Alice, Stephen and John Mare are all mentioned on the will of my John Ford of Odd Rode in 1810 could suggest that they are brothers and sister.

Found these bits of information in the Birmingham Archives
Norton-in-the-Moors  [no ref. or date]
Particulars of the survey of the Trust Estate at Norton, co. Staff. (Description of tenements of Mr. Repton, John Mears, Francis Mears and Woodhouse Lane tenement.) (Please order number 877)  MS 917/207  1703

Abstract of indenture. John Sparrow of Newcastle under Lyme, John Hales, William Lowndes, Francis Mear, John Repton and William Sherratt. Relating to the working of several coal mines in the parish of Norton in the Moors, co. Stafford. (Please order number 2370)  MS 917/40  1 January 1773 1856

This indenture mentioned above is interesting as it mentions in 1773 William Lowndes who could possibly be my Alice Mares uncle as her mother was Katherine Lowndes who had a brother William Lowndes aswel as her father being called William Lowndes and links the Lowndes, Meare and Repton families in business ventures

Counterpart. Assignment in trust to attend the inheritance. Thomas Bagnall of Newcastle under Lyme, John Fenton of same, John Repton of Norton on the Moors, Francis Meare of same, John Mellor of lpstones and Hugh Ford the younger of Ford Green. A messuage with appurtenances called Spragg House in Norton on the Moors. (Please order number 914)  MS 917/1705  19 December 1707

Demise. Hugh Ford of Spragg House in Norton in the Moores, co. Staff., Francis Mare of Norton Green and Charles Brown of Norton. A messuage called the Spragg House with appurtenances in Norton in the Moores. (Please order number 1331)  MS 917/1706  29 November 1756

No further details   Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by William Grindey of land near the Spraghouse within the said manor to the use of John Mare of Milton and the admittance of John Mare. (Please order number 1841)  MS 917/1707  26 November 1802

No further details   Copy of Court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by John Mare of Milton of land near the Spraghouse within the said Manor to the use of his will. (Please order number 1848)  MS 917/1708  8 November 1804

No further details   Copy of agreement. John Mare of Milton and John Sparrow of Bishton and John Hales of Cobridge. concerning coal mines under an estate called the Spragg House in Norton in the Moors, co. Stafford. (Please order number 1849)  MS 917/1709  16 November 1804


No further details   Surrender by John Mare of Milton of land at Spraghouse within the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, to the use of his will. (Please order number 1866)  MS 917/1710  27 February 1807

No further details   Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by John Repton the younger and Richard Dean of land near Spraghouse within the said manor, to the use of John Mare and the admittance of John Mare to the said land. (Please order number 1900)  MS 917/1711  3 November 1810

No further details   Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of John Mare of Milton to land near the Spraghouse within the said manor. (Please order number 1901)  MS 917/1712  3 November 1810

No further details   Copy of court roll of the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of John Mare of Milton within the said manor to lands near Spraghouse within the said manor. (Please order number 1902)  MS 917/1713  3 November 1810

No further details   Copy of court roll of the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of Elizabeth Godwin of Leek and Mary Harrison of same, to land near the Sprag House within the said Manor. (Please order number 2009)  MS 917/1714  6 November 1821
(Elizabeth Mare married Arthur Godwin 18/10/1804 Norton in the Moors and Mary Mare married William Harrison 13/7/1811 Norton in the Moors)

Regards
Robert

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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #50 on: Monday 19 October 09 15:36 BST (UK) »
Hi I'm Terry Adams my ancestor John Adams was a son of joseph Adams and ann mare I have managed to link ann to 3 john's who married repectively mary palmer,hannah edwards and rebecca smith. I would really appreciate some help in extending this line.
Terry
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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #51 on: Monday 19 October 09 21:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Terry

I have a copy tree which goes back to Ulviet de Meiri of Norton circa 1050.  It was completed by a member of the Mayer family and a photocopy given to my mother-in-law who is a descendant of Elijah Mayer and Elizabeth Jebb.  Elijah was the brother of the John that married Mary Palmer. 

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Maggie

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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #52 on: Monday 19 October 09 21:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Maggie would it be possible to have a copy via email I just find it all so mind blowing when I started and began going past 1900 I was amazed . would really appreciate it
thanks Terry 
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ashenden hollingbourne/east london
gow st george in the east/shadwell
rooney ireland?/st george in the east

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Re: Wolstanton records
« Reply #53 on: Monday 19 October 09 21:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Terry

At the moment I am still transferring it onto the computer.  The photocopy is a little battered and in places difficult to read but I am doing my best.  I can send you a copy or at least with my husband's help I can.  Do you just want the line back from Ann? 

On the tree I have your line stops with John and his siblings although there is a note to 'See Adams family history' so I assume it is documented elsewhere.

Will be in touch - this may be the spur I need to get the tree completed!!

Best wishes
Maggie