Cruddace, Crudace, Croudace, Cruddas

[Croudaces]

Glad to hear you got him sorted. What was his job? It might help to place where he came from in the northeast, if you still think that's where he came from.

Colin

Hi Colin,

I have no idea what his job was, the records on the forest of dean site just state ' Wha[?]ger '. I do think that he is part of the Lanchester / Painshaw lot however, given the Mary Croudace from Painshaw in the same area, and the other family names which match in. However I have been though the Bishops Transcripts and cannot find Marys baptism in Painshaw or surrounding districts, she would have been born in about 1813.
I still cannot find Elizabeth Croudace after her marriage to William Pascoe, and think she may have died young.

William John could have been the son of the Lanchester John, and I still think it likely he is James, Marys and Elizabeths brother, given they are the only Croudaces in the whole of South Wales, I find it odd they would be witnesses at the wedding of other Croudaces without being related. I do think it is the same James who married Sarah Ford in Bristol and was the James who died in Somerset, as I have records for two of his children and believe one died and one was in the poorhouse in the 1841 census at age 14, I have reason to believe the daughter in the poorhouse may have had an illegitimate child at age 15.

The strange thing is I have a photocopy of the parish record for ' William ' Johns marriage and it just shows ' John ', so maybe he dropped the William as and when.

[Colin Cruddace]

Could "wha[?]ger" be wharfinger ?
At the present state of affairs it might be safe to say James in Bristol is the one born 1800, but it's possible that there is another James, Elizabeth and Mary related to your William John. Perhaps related in some way to the Penshaw family. You Mary seems to be 10 years later than the other who was a governess and doesn't seem to have married.

Colin

[Croudaces]

Could "wha[?]ger" be wharfinger ?
At the present state of affairs it might be safe to say James in Bristol is the one born 1800, but it's possible that there is another James, Elizabeth and Mary related to your William John. Perhaps related in some way to the Penshaw family. You Mary seems to be 10 years later than the other who was a governess and doesn't seem to have married.

Colin

Wharfinger, thanks for the suggestion !

There is only one Mary Croudace, the governess, in South Wales, unless of course there was another Mary and she died, and another James who also died.
It is a real puzzle, if only I could find Elizabeth on the 1851 census.

[Colin Cruddace]

If he was a wharfinger then he owned or managed a wharf and presumably had some assets. If you haven't done so, it might be worth checking for a will if you know when he died, or have a rough idea. You mention that he was only John on his marriage, does it also give an indication of whether he was a bachelor or widower?

Another avenue to explore could be a newspaper article for the death of James which might mention relatives.

[Croudaces]

Thanks.
He was a bachelor.
I have just come across another Croudace born in Monmouth who would be of the same generation as ' My Johns ' or ' My William Johns ' children. An Emily, unmarried in the 1891 census.

[Colin Cruddace]

I've only found 2 Emilys in the families I've covered and they were born 1828 and 1848 so I'm assuming there's no influence in the naming of the one in Wales. There was another family in Wales who was a gamekeeper from Streetlam near Barnard Castle but by the time of the census there were no children at home. I think it is more likely that the one in the workhouse could come from this family as gamekeepers were poorly paid (apparently). It might be worth checking for your William John being born there. I'll see if I can find anything.

[Croudaces]

The Emily I have was born in Monmouth in abt 1848.
I know the other John Croudace you mean, he lived in North Wales.

[Colin Cruddace]

The gamekeepers out of the game then!
There's another branch which I know nothing about, and they are in the Whitby / Bridlington area which has an obvious connection with the sea. Have you checked those out?

[babybutterfly]

Hiya, I'm not sure if there is a connection, but like you guys I'm tracing the Cruddace tree, and Ive managed to get back as far as abt 1790 with Robert, who was from Barnard castle, he married someone called Elizabeth, but i have no more info on her.
They had 3 children that i know of,  James, Martha and Thomas.
James was a pitman, and his father Robert was down as a "farmer of 88 acres"

Does any of this match up with anyone else's info?
probably a long shot, but always worth asking 

Tracy