Canadian Railway

[Jacquie in Canada]

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Here's a link to the image at Library and Archives Canada (they are lines 43 and 44):
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1911a/e080/e001988557.pdf

Note: There is a birth registration in the Free BMD for Norman Henry Hilsden in Wycombe, Buckinghamshire which seems to match the one with Eric. Eric Stanley Hilsden's birth was also registered in Wycombe, Buckinghamshire.


In case you don't have it, here is Harry and Maria on the 1901 census in England:

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The death registration says the name of the father was Harry Hilsden and that Violet lived 10 hours and was a premature birth. It does say that the death was certified by a doctor.

The Violet Hilsden with Harry and his wife on the 1911 census has a birth date as Aug 1908. So the question is if Violet did not die in 1908 why was her death registered and if she did die, who is that with Harry and his wife?

Jacquie

[Daisy Loo]

Janice, you are amazing!  Some of the stuff, I did have already, and some I didn't, so a huge thank you.  I do have some queries, that if you have the time, would be grateful if you could help me with, or offer me a theory at least.

I've broken them up, so as not to make the post so long!


The first query is this, Eric got married in 1915, at the age of 24, yet in the 1911 census he is down as age 29?  How could this be?  Could he have been 19? Also, year of immigration was down in the 1911 census as 1805...another error?  should that be 1905?

I didn't have the marriage details, although I had guessed from his service record, that his wife's name was Margaret.  So a HUGE thank you again for that

[Daisy Loo]

I'm not going to quote, as it makes the post waaay to long ...but here's the next lot of questions!

Norman was Eric's brother yes.  As was George Harold.  I had a few of the ships lists of George Harold & Selina coming in, but none going out.  The fact that you found their death's is very interesting to me.  Violet Muriel isn't the only mystery here.  Selina is one.

Norman, Eric & George had the same father, Harry.  Harry had a brother, John, who was father to a Selina Hilsden, who was my G-grandfather's twin.  At this, you are guessing maybe what come's next   I have Selina Hilsden, b.1880, High Wycombe, Bucks...in the 1901 census, then she disappears.  I can't find a marriage or death for her.

When I found the Canadian link in my family...what did I find, but a Selina Hilsden (also born 1880) travelling with George Harold.  Could they have been cousins?  And were they really married? 

You gave me their death's in Canada, and Selina was 7 years older than George Harold... (btw, I believe Harold, and George Harold on the ships lists were the same man)

Also, the address they had down, on the incoming to England, was that of  George Rupert Hilsden, who was my Selina's brother.

Any additional info that you could find on Selina & George Harold, and/or any of their children, would be MUCH appreciated.

Now on to Harry & Maria and Violet.  Harry and Maria were the parents of the 3 boys, George, Eric & Norman.  So they had 3 boys, all grown up, and them they had, years later a little girl called Violet..  are their death records for Harry & Maria in Canada?

This is all I can get my head round for now.  Janice, I so appreciate this,...finally a break through on the Canadian side!

[Jacquie in Canada]

The first query is this, Eric got married in 1915, at the age of 24, yet in the 1911 census he is down as age 29?  How could this be?  Could he have been 19? Also, year of immigration was down in the 1911 census as 1805...another error?  should that be 1905?

I think the age on Ancestry's census transcription is an error. The image is so faint it is hard to read so it's easy to see how they could get it wrong. Having taken a closer look at it, I believe it has Eric's birth month and year as July 1891 which would make him close to 20. The date of the 1911 census was 1 Jun 1911 but it could have been later than that before the enumerator got to Eric so the minor discrepancy is nothing to worry about.

Norman was Eric's brother yes.  As was George Harold.  I had a few of the ships lists of George Harold & Selina coming in, but none going out.  The fact that you found their death's is very interesting to me.  Violet Muriel isn't the only mystery here.  Selina is one.

Norman, Eric & George had the same father, Harry.  Harry had a brother, John, who was father to a Selina Hilsden, who was my G-grandfather's twin.  At this, you are guessing maybe what come's next   I have Selina Hilsden, b.1880, High Wycombe, Bucks...in the 1901 census, then she disappears.  I can't find a marriage or death for her.

When I found the Canadian link in my family...what did I find, but a Selina Hilsden (also born 1880) travelling with George Harold.  Could they have been cousins?  And were they really married? 

You gave me their death's in Canada, and Selina was 7 years older than George Harold... (btw, I believe Harold, and George Harold on the ships lists were the same man)

Also, the address they had down, on the incoming to England, was that of  George Rupert Hilsden, who was my Selina's brother.

The Selina mystery may be solved!

On the incoming Canadian passenger list of Harold and Selina's 1930 voyage aboard the Duchess of Bedford, it indicates that Selina was George Harold's wife and was born in Reading, England. I found a birth registration in the FreeBMD for a Selina Hilsden that matches the passenger list:

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At Ancestry, on the 1881 census at 4 Dover Street, Reading, Selina and Sydney Hilsden (both 9 months old) are listed in the household of John and Elizabeth E. Hilsden. There are three older children who were all born in High Wycombe listed while Selina and Sydney are listed as being born in Reading. RG11/1303 Folio 66 Page 24

It appears that the family were in Egham, Surry for the 1891 census. On that census, Selina and Sydney are again listed as being born in Reading. RG12/1009; Folio 25; Page 18

As for cousins marrying, that wasn't unusual although today some people think it's "icky". I've come across it many times over the course of doing research for myself and for others.

As for George Harold and Selina's children, the incoming Canadian passenger list indicates they were all born in Regina, Saskatchewan. I couldn't find a marriage for George and Selina in Ontario (the database goes up to 1924) however it is possible they were married in Saskatchewan or another province. I did a search for Manitoba and there was nothing. Saskatchewan's genealogy database doesn't have marriages yet but once the database is completed it would include marriages from the period when George and Selina would have married. Here's a link to the Saskatchewan database website:
https://www.isc.ca/VitalStatistics/Genealogy/vsgs_srch.aspx
Saskatchewan certificates are really expensive ($50) whether they have to do a search or not so I would suggest waiting for the database to be completed or trying to find someone in Regina who will do some look-ups to see if any marriage or birth announcements were published in the newspaper.

Now on to Harry & Maria and Violet.  Harry and Maria were the parents of the 3 boys, George, Eric & Norman.  So they had 3 boys, all grown up, and them they had, years later a little girl called Violet..  are their death records for Harry & Maria in Canada?

I couldn't find death registrations in the Ontario database at Ancestry for Harry or Maria but it only goes up to 1934. Canada does not have a central BMD registry so the province where the death occurred must be known. If they died in Ontario, the privacy laws there make it very difficult to obtain certficates for deaths which occurred after 1940 (+/- a few years).

Jacquie

[Janice M]

I'd love to take the credit, but it was "Jacquie" that found all that information. (Great work Jacquie) 


Janice

[Daisy Loo]

Oops!  How bad of me    So sorry Jacquie!  I got so carried away by all the information, that I was lazy in looking at who supplied it!!!!

Thanks to BOTh of you though!

Jacquie, I have all the english records for Sidney & Selina...

Are the incoming passenger lists available on Ancestry then?  As I have all the ones where they arrive in England.

I can't wait for the 1911 census to come out in England, I am sure a lot of answers will be found regarding Harry & Maria, and the mystery of Violet!

[Jacquie in Canada]

Oops!  How bad of me    So sorry Jacquie!  I got so carried away by all the information, that I was lazy in looking at who supplied it!!!!

Thanks to BOTh of you though!

Jacquie, I have all the english records for Sidney & Selina...

Are the incoming passenger lists available on Ancestry then?  As I have all the ones where they arrive in England.

I can't wait for the 1911 census to come out in England, I am sure a lot of answers will be found regarding Harry & Maria, and the mystery of Violet!

I'll forgive you this time. Just don't let it happen again.  (kidding)

One of the databases that Ancestry has for Canada is the Canadian Passenger List (1865-1935) which is indexed by passenger name and has images. Library and Archives Canada also has images of passenger lists available at their website but they are not indexed by passenger name, only by ship. I have noticed that some passenger lists that aren't available at Library and Archives Canada are included in the Ancestry database.

Jacquie

[Sheri W]

Hi Jacquie in Canada.   How are you related to the Hilsdens?  I  am the grand-daughter of Eric Stanley Hilsden.  Excited to be on this forum. 
Sheri

[Jacquie in Canada]

Hi Jacquie in Canada.   How are you related to the Hilsdens?  I  am the grand-daughter of Eric Stanley Hilsden.  Excited to be on this forum. 
Sheri

Welcome to RootsChat.

I'm not related to the Hildsdens. I was just helping the original poster.

Jacquie