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Offline Ken_from_Wisbech

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Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« on: Saturday 08 November 08 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

I am having a spot of bothere with the 1851 census, so looking for some help PLZ.  Here goes

Looking for MARY BRAUN formerly (KEMP), born abt 1818, poss Pembrokeshire.

Address I have is 21 Colchester Street, St. Olave.

Children I have are: 
William Bn. Southwark 1837
Emily Eliza Bn Liverpool 1840
Mary Ann Bn Liverpool 1844
Miriam Frances Bn Mile End, London, 1848
Harriett Bn Stepney 1850

She seems to have been living with a Jonaton Budgeon and his children at the time of the census and married said Jonathon in 1858.

Her first husband was John James Braun and their name was registered as Bryan on the 1841 Census for West Derby, Liverpool and he 'seems' to have died or disappeared sometime between the 1841-51 Census

I know it's a long shot, but would really appreciate some help.

Many thanks

Ken
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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 November 08 14:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ken,

Jonathan Budgen is not living with Mary in 1851
just a Johannah, a female servant

Indexed as BENNIE

1851  HO107/1531 Folio  216  Page 39
21 Colchester St, St.Olave
Mary Braun  head wid 34 Lodging House Keeper  Pembrokeshire
William H  "   son         13 Scholar     Surrey Lambeth
Emily E      "   dau        11                  Lancs Liverpool
Mary H      "     "            6                   Middx Mile End
Harriett     "    "        2 mo                       "        "
Johannah Harrington serv 27 House servant  Ireland Cork
Tall? Mansford      lodger      21 General Merchant  Bath Somerset

An amendment to the surname from Bennie to Braun has been made on ancestry, and the submitter can be contacted if you wish

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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 November 08 14:40 GMT (UK) »
The marriage seems to have been in 1851 not 1858

Sep 1851 London    2   195
Braun    Mary           Budgen    Jonathan    


In 1851 Jonathan was here (indexed Budzian):

HO107/1530 Folio 342 Page 27
33 Dougate Hill, St. Mary Bothaw, London
in household of John H. Murcutt, Printer Compositor
Jonathan BUDGEN  visitor un 27  Printer   Sussex Tunbridge Wells

Hope this helps,
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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 November 08 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Barbara

Many thanks for your help.  Yet another name for this family!!!!  Braun/Bryan/Braun/Bennie - I wonder where the bennie name came from, but could have been a transcription error.

I have been trying to find a record of John Braun's death but so far have not had any luch.  I do believe that there may have been an epidemic going around and it has been suggested that he went back to Switzerland and died there.

At least I have something else to go on.  I have been unable to use the 1851 Census on FindMyPast (1837 Online) as it is not available at present.

Once again, many thanks

Ken
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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 November 08 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Could this be the death for John James BRAUN.   ???  ???

John James BROWN
Mar ¼ 1850  Bethnal Green  2  41

I checked the 1861 census & dound that Jonathan Budgeon, husband of Mary Braun, was born in TunbridgeWells. confirming the 1851 census found by Barabra.

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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 November 08 14:58 GMT (UK) »
I wonder where the bennie name came from, but could have been a transcription error.


As I said, there has been an amendment made on ancestry, as it was a transcription error.  If you have access you can contact the person who made the amendment, they may be researching the family

Well done Meliora  :)

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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 November 08 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Could this be the death for John James BRAUN.   ???  ???

John James BROWN
Mar ¼ 1850  Bethnal Green  2  41

Meliora

Many thanks Meliora.  Yet another name change!  But it does tie in.  Looks like I'll have to send away for a cert.

Many thanks  for the help

Ken
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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 November 08 15:16 GMT (UK) »
I'd ask the GRO to check the cert for known details before parting with your cash, it costs £3 for a reference check which is included in the £7 fee if the details are correct

Barbara
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Re: Look-up PLZ 1851 Census
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 08 November 08 15:19 GMT (UK) »
I'd ask the GRO to check the cert for known details before parting with your cash, it costs £3 for a reference check which is included in the £7 fee if the details are correct

Barbara

Many thanks for the tip, Barbara.  Do I just phone them and ask what details are on the cert - never done that before

Ken
Drake, Blackhall, Roney, Lovell.  Parry, Edwards,  Pardoe, Braun/Brawn/Bryan, all in Bethnal Green, Stepney, Whitechapel, Mile End, Tottenham, Palmers Green and Edmonton area.

http://www.wisbech-town.co.uk

Also a member of the East of London and Fenland  Family History Societies