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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 03 August 10 22:56 BST (UK) »
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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #28 on: Friday 11 February 11 12:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone
I contacted a Mr Wim Govaerts who has written a book on Schnaufer....this is what he had to say regarding the action with JB348:

I have no detailed information from Schnaufer personally, most of this was destroyed at the end of the war, but his radio-operator Rumpelhardt kept a diary from which the following is an extract.
They were flying at an altitude of 5400 meters wenn Schnaufer shot down his first bomber at 19.13 hours. Shortly afterwards Schnaufer made another attack from beneath at a bomber, but this failed.
Then according to Rumpelhardt: "Suddenly I had in my Lichtenstein at about two kilometers distance another target in sight, which moved itself a few hundred meters lower. After a crazy pursuit, left, a little to the right, again somewhat left, now some to the right, and so on - was the Tommy in front of us. Heinz made a heavy attack to the left wing. Then plunged the bomber down as a burning torch, almost straight down, after which it exploded on the ground in a tousand gloing pieces."
After these two victories, the German radarsystem was apparently jaimed by the British and Schnaufer flew further on in the hope to get a glimpse from Bombers - so they turned to Wilde Sau at that moment - but over Bremen they noticed that a German nightfighter was being shot down by his own Flak, whereupon Schnaufer decided to fly back home.

This might perhaps explain as to why only the midupper gunner survived. He noticed the attack first hand - having sight over the wing he saw what happened. He was also the closest to the exit door.
So it might well have been possible that he noticed the heavy fire instantly, took his parachute, and jumped - the others most likely simply had no chance to get out, as the bomber was already plunging down at high speed.

Finding the exact crashsite is going to be difficult if you do not have help from someone localy, but you might already try to write to the council and explain them about your plans. Perhaps they have a local historian who can help.

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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #29 on: Friday 11 February 11 15:36 GMT (UK) »


Finding the exact crashsite is going to be difficult if you do not have help from someone locally, but you might already try to write to the council and explain them about your plans. Perhaps they have a local historian who can help.


If you are really keen to track down the crashsite then exploring what records remain of the work of the Missing Research and Enquiry Service (MRES) might be a useful start.  MRES dispatched Missing Research and Enquiry Units (MREUs) throughout Europe and extensive enquiries took place and records prepared of every case.  The records that exist are held in TNA.  A useful background read on all of this is "Missing Believed Killed - The Royal Air Force and the Search for Missing Aircrew 1939-1952" by Stuart Hadaway (Pen and Sword Books, 2008).
Skewis (Wales and Scotland), Ayers (Maidenhead, Berkshire), Hildreth (Berkshire)

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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 08 March 11 07:24 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Imber I will give that a try


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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 09 March 11 01:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi I'am back under a new name having moved to Vienna and with a new email address. I'm still really keen on getting any information on Johnson would appreciat eany help.

R/107156 Warrant Officer Ole Orval Johnson was from Kamsack, Saskatchewan. Next of kin was his father, listed as PM Johnson. Johnson was held at Stalag IVB, Mühlberg

There is currently one "Johnson" listed in the Kamsack telephone directory with street address. Let me know if you want it PMed to you.

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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 09 March 11 12:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks DTD!
Yes I would appreciate the information, and will definitely get in contact with them.

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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 21 June 14 15:09 BST (UK) »
Today I happened upon what appears to be a surviving propeller of JB348.
Googling it led me to this forum.
If anyone is still interested, send me a PM.

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Re: Pathfinder Squadron
« Reply #34 on: Monday 23 June 14 14:04 BST (UK) »
Looks like people are still following this thread :)

The propeller is at a private museum in Groningen, the Netherlands.
The plaque underneath reads:

Hamilton-Standard
Lancaster III JB 348 405SQ
Crashed 20-10-43 19.22
Waddenzee

The given location (Waddenzee is the sea to the north of the Netherlands) seems to be a bit of a problem here, it's quite a distance from Harrenstatte.

In any case, the picture I took is here:
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/tderks/33451923

The museum website can be found here:
www.canadianalliedforces.com/