Census mystery

[Ecneps]

Ancestry has  UK incoming passenger lists 1878-1960 (although I had a quick look and didn't see them there), and findmypast has passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 (- those dates are probably too late) and passport applications 1851-1903

Barbara

[O1dgobbo]

Hi

Freebmd index gives Mercy Perry's age at death as 35 (Deaths Jan-Mar 1875 Houghton 10a 374).  The 1861 census shows her birthplace as Somersetshire, Radstock.  The 1841 census has a one-year old Mercy Box in Radstock (HO107 948 8 38 p27).  Her birth was probably not registered (I cannot find her on Freebmd births) but must be about 1840 not 1835.

Her family in 1841 comprised

Nathanill [Nathaniel?] Box 35 Grocer (b. Somersetshire)
Maria " 35
George " 11 Coal Miner
Stephen " 9 Coal Miner
Mary " 6
Thomas " 4
Mercy " 1
all born in Somersetshire.  The 1841 census does not give relationships but I assume this is Father , Mother and Offspring.

All the best

Gobbo

[O1dgobbo]

Hi

I have been looking for the Perry family in the 1871 census: it might have included James b. about 1836 in Northumberland, Mercy b. about 1839 in Somerset, Jane b. 1859, Maria b. 1861, Ann b. 1867, Maria b. 1870 plus any other children born between the birth of Maria 1861 and Maria 1870.  I have looked for Perry, Percy, Berry and Ferry plus Per* and also for Mercy, the two Marias and Jane without surnames but with the appropriate birth data.  Search on A******y seems to be a little more eccentric than usual but I think that it has covered the ground and not found an 1871 record for the family.  So perhaps they have indeed been missed.

If you want to know James's occupation and where in Trimdon Mercy was living in the second half of 1870 then you need to apply for a copy of the second Maria's birth certificate.  The GRO reference from Freebmd is Births, Jul-Sep 1870 Perry Maria Stockton 10a 132 (Trimdon was in the Stockton registration district).

You could get similar information for Hetton in the first half of 1867 from Ann's birth certificate, reference Births Apr-Jun 1867 Perry Ann Houghton 10a 427.

All the best

Gobbo

[ruthy1]

Hi all,

Thanks for all the help & information so far. 

I have looked on the passenger lists available, and also cannot find anything.

I have ordered the birth certificate of the second Maria – as you say Gobbo, this will hopefully give a few clues. With all your searching on the census I agree that it is looking increasingly as if they were just missed off the 1871 census.

As for the later census…I just don’t know.  I have contacted the Genes Reunited member who gave me the info on Esther, the second wife, going to and returning from Australia just in case he has access to anything that would show the family out there again.  Also I will try searching very widely as you have done Gobbo for the later census.  An elusive family!!

Many thanks

Ruthy

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Ruthy

Do you know where James Perry was on the night of the 1901 census?  Perhaps I am not as good as I thought I was because I cannot find him in that census either!

All the best

Gobbo

Whoops - I see you have already said that you cannot find him in the 1901 census.

[ruthy1]

Hi,

A bit of an update.  The Genes Reunited member has had a look at the deaths for Victoria & NSW but couldn't find anything for James or Esther (Hester) Perry, they also had a look at the passenger lists but couldn't find any Perrys at all. So that avenue is not looking hopeful.

I have also searched for a death of Hester / Esther Perry in the 1881 / 1891 time frame, and haven't found anything.  I haven't looked at name variations as yet.

I'll see what the two certificates say when they arrive, otherwise I am running out of steam I think.

Ruthy

[madchia]

Just a thought, but I have located Ferrys which were transcribed into Perrys - it likely happens the other way too.
Pat

[ruthy1]

Hi Madchia,  Thanks for the suggestion - I think someone further back in the thread has looked at that aspect, and it is possible.  I have had Peary too!  I have not looked at this mystery for a while so have had a few hours pondering and researching again now.  I now have the death Cert I was waiting for, but it didn't really help. So I am still in the dark with this one.  As Esther had already emigrated once maybe the family did again, not that I have found any reference. I can't find records for any of the family in England though either.  Still a mystery! Can't win them all I guess 

[briann1]

Hi Ruthy there is a James Perry in the 1851, 1861 and 1881 census in houghton but not in the 1871 or 1891census. But in stockton there is a James Perry  in the 1871 and 1891 census but none in the 1851,1861or 1881.and Trimdon where mariah was born in 1871 came under the stockton sedgfield area all seems to be too much of a coincidence not to be the same James moving to and fro between houghton and stockton Unfortunately i am unable to access the census to check the occupations but i am sure someone will help if you cant
above info came from "1901census on line ,search all census"
Brian