Ox Close, in the Parish of Bakewell. Help please!

[spendlove]

Hi All,

Re the Wills 1600 -1700, it is important to establish if the wills contain words to the effect
1. "I leave my freehold or possibly copyhold Ox Close etc"  or
 2. "I leave the rental of Ox Close etc"

If 1 then this cannot be the land at Chatsworth,

If 2 then it probably is the land at Chatsworth.

Obviously there has been correspondence between you which is not on this site.

Spendlove

[copperbeech5]

Hi,

Thanks once again for the info, I will pass it on, Carol is delighted with the help!

Copperbeech5

[Gardener]

Obviously there has been correspondence between you which is not on this site.

Spendlove

If there has been then I don't recall it. 

I don't have complete will details so I can't tell how the Ox-close property is referred to.

[Gardener]

Just wanted to get back to this now I have a few minutes.

I have notes for the Will of Edmund Marsden, proved 1712.
It says that he was
Of Oxclose near Chatsworth. Edmund Snr, husbandman.

He left things to his wife Mary and various kids and their names match with this family group (bold means mentioned in the will):

1674   Thomas
1675   John
1679   Ann
1680   Richard
1686   Edmund
1683   Godfrey
1689   Robert
1690   Anna
1692   Joseph


I think that Godfrey is the one who left a will in 1744 leaving his farm at Oxclose to son Robert, and amongst other things two butchers shops in Baslow to his son Edmund. This is the family of Godfrey:

1715   Hannah
1717   Robert
1719   Edmund
1723   Joseph
1724   Mary (dy)
1726   Godfrey
1729   Elizabeth

So, assuming that this is the family the original question was about, I think there is little doubt they were from Oxclose, Chatsworth.

[sougher]

Hi Copper Beech 5,

Have found a Marsden family tree on the Winster website www.winster-ancestry.com/jmarsden which might also interest you.

It shews the descendents of John MARSDEN of Birchover who married Alice KEELING at Bakewell All Saints on 27/03/1706.   There are two conflicting dates of baptism for him (1) 1st April, 1676 and (2) 18th May, 1676, but both say he was born at Oxclose, Baslow, Derbyshire.   He died aged 83 at Birchover and was interred at All Saints churchyard Youlgreave on 10/08/1759.  Alice who was born in Youlgreave (where my KEELING ancestors come from) died at Birchover aged 59 and interrred at Youlgreave on 27/02/1744.


Margaret.

[copperbeech5]

Hi Gardener,
Thanks so much for your information, it is the same family, Carol also thanks you, for the info, an says she too has a copy of this will.

She wants to know if Ox Close is in Ox pasture, which she thinks is somewhere on the land between the Golden gate, and the Devonshire Arms ( as it is now)  She thinks that the area was lost in Capability Browns Landscaping spree.... what do you think?

Thanks also to you  Soughter, will tell, Carol it looks very interesting.

many thanks, to you both,
Copperbeech5

[Gardener]

Hi
Carol may well be right.
I just found this link
http://www.genuki.org.uk:8080/big/eng/DBY/Baslow/Perambulations.html
The grid ref which it gives for Beastley Gate seems to be half way between the Nurseries and the start of Baslow (on my map at least) and I wonder if that would be the plot of land called "parcell of land called Bestly " in the tenency agreement.

I sent an email to the person who gives that information so perhaps he will solve our problems 

After a quick glance at the pages connected to the above link it seems that the northern part of the Park was incorporated quite late so could easily have had a few farms on it earlier.

You could perhaps tell Carol that my gtgrandmother was a Marsden on both sides, as it were, and her parents both descended from John (married Alice), the son of Edmund of Oxclose.

[copperbeech5]

Hi Gardener,

Once again, thank you so much,  I am passing the info on as soon as I get it!  I gather that Carol has now written to the House (I'm not sure which one) that was the land owner at that time, so I will pass the info back to you if she gets anywhere!

In the mean time,
Thanks again!

Copperbeech5

[cmfrey]

Hi Gardener,

Researching my wife's (and therefore children's) family history on the Marsden side. If we start just in Baslow (i.e. not going back to the Lancashire roots), my wife and children are descendant from Hugh Marsden and Alicia (aka Alice) Brough, who were married at St. Anne's Church ~ Nov. 1596.

Anyway, I'm particularly interested in learning about the "connections" between the various Marsdens and the Cavendish family - e.g. Oxclose being so close to/on the Chatsworth park grounds, another farm called "Parkgate or Park Gate" which was owned by Edmund Marsden (and perhaps his father Hugh?) which was somewhere near the Hunting Tower, and of most interest, the "family history" which notes that Hugh Marsden first came to Baslow "as part of the household of Sir William Cavendish" in the late 1500's.

Might you have direct access to the Marsden family genealogical memoirs that contains this specific reference, and might you have any further details regarding either Oxclose of Parkgate? We're in the Bakewell area and would be happy to do any "field research" to share with you and others if you're able to help point me in the right direction on some of these topics.

Thanks,

- Chris