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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 31 January 10 14:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello hdw
I have just found your message which mentions my great grand parents James Dewar and Marjory Taylor. I am very interested in Marjory's mother Marjory Myles and any connections, ancestors and descendants. James Peebles had a sister Helen who looked after my grand father after my his parents untimely deaths.
I would be very happy to share info with you.

Charles
Bett, Beveridge, Burns, Callan, Chiene, Dewar, Dumbarland, Eadie, Elder, Farnie, Grubb, Herd, Mackie, Meldrum, Methven, Mitchell, Murray, Myles, Peebles, Ruthven, Seath, Skein, Taylor, Turpie. All in Fife and mostly in Crail

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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #19 on: Monday 01 February 10 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello Charles. Briefly, I've traced our MYLES line back to

Robert MYLES and Marjorie TOD who were married in Largo parish in 1752. Robert may have been from the Largo/Newburn area, where his surname was common. Marjorie was the daughter of Samuel TOD, mason, and Jean INNES of Anstruther, and both her father and her mother came from old Anstruther families. Robert and Marjorie were married at Largo by the minister of Anstruther, Mr. Nairne, and a bit later they moved to Anstruther where their son

William MYLES was born in 1771. In 1795 William married Janet BLACK at Innergellie, Kilrenny, where he was a labourer. Nowadays Innergellie is just a big old house with some land around it, but there used to be a little village there within the larger village of Kilrenny.

William and Janet married during the Napoleonic Wars, and William became a soldier in the Dumfriesshire Militia, who were stationed in Fife at the time. I think they were a bit like a Home Guard, and he would have got a bit of a wage and a uniform but not have had to actually go abroad and fight. Over the next few years Wm. and Janet had several children who are registered in the old parish registers of Carnbee parish, just inland from Anstruther. They moved around various farms in the area before settling in Crail, where they were both buried in the churchyard. No headstone, but I have a copy of the burial entries from the sexton's burial book.

Janet BLACK survived through to the Crail census of 1851 in which she gave her parish of birth as Carnbee. BLACK was a common name in that parish, but I haven't been able to pinpoint her parents.

During the hard years after the end of the war (1815+), there was great unemployment and near-famine conditions up and down the land, and most of Wm. and Janet's children died. One who survived was

James MYLES, who was born in 1799 at Newbigging farm in St. Andrews parish. In 1821 James MYLES, who was a coal-miner, married Betsy BURNS at Crail. Betsy was one of two illegitimate children born in St. Andrews to John BURNS, sievewright or "riddle-maker" (a specialised form of joinery) by his servant Christian BROWN, who may have been a Crail woman, I'm not sure. The BURNS family had been sievewrights in St. Andrews for generations. I know a lot about them as John's father James BURNS went bankrupt and I have photocopies of the bankruptcy proceedings from the Sheriff Court Records in the National Archives of Scotland, West Register House.

James BURNS died young, at 29, whether from an accident down the pit or disease, I don't know. His and Betsy's daughter

Marjorie MYLES, born 1825, bore two illegitimate children called James and Helen PEEBLES in 1853 and 1855 respectively. The father is named in the Crail kirk-session records as "James PEEBLES, farm-labourer". I have worked out that he must have been the James born in Kilrenny parish in 1827, I think (haven't got my notes handy) to Robert PEEBLES and Ann DEWAR.

James never married Marjorie MYLES or anybody else. In 1855, the year in which his 2nd illegitimate child was born, he skedaddled to the other side of the world (Tasmania) with his younger brother Robert on the emigrant ship Commodore Perry, and never came back. I got all this from descendants of his brother Robert in Australia whom I "met" on another internet forum.

Of the children he left behind (and weren't the PEEBLES descendants in Australia gobsmacked when I told them this!), James PEEBLES married Margaret SPINK, whose parents had moved to Crail from Auchmithie, near Arbroath. James and Margaret were my great-grandparents.

Helen PEEBLES never married, but in 1881 she had an illegitimate daughter called Madeline Wilson PEEBLES. In 1913 Madeline married Alexander ANDERSON of Anstruther.

I have to laugh when I look back at what I've written and see that I was going to be "brief". But there was a lot to tell.

I'd be interested to correspond with you and swap more information, either here, or, to avoid boring other members of this forum, privately.

Harry

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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #20 on: Monday 01 February 10 10:24 GMT (UK) »
Hello Charles & Harry -

Since we've established that cavers89 and I are distantly related, then we obviously have connections with your families, too.  I notice a number of shared names in the list - Mitchell, Dewar, Herd, Beveridge ... it goes on and on! LOL

Pleased to meet you!  :)

Cheers
Deb
I live in Sydney, Australia, and I'm researching: Powell, Tatham, Dunbar, Dixon, Mackwood, Kinnear, Mitchell, Morgan, Delves, & Anderson

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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #21 on: Monday 01 February 10 15:37 GMT (UK) »
Likewise, Deb. I had hoped that all those names I mentioned might ring bells for some people.

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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #22 on: Monday 01 February 10 18:12 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone here with MITCHELL ancestors in Crail has come across a DAVID MITCHELL in the late 18th century? His nickname or "by-name" was "Slidam", and there are umpteen anecdotes about him in the old Pittenweem Register, a news-sheet that circulated in the East Neuk of Fife before the start of modern newspapers in the 1850s.

"Slidam" was famous for his pawky, dry wit, as witness the following anecdote from the Pittenweem Register of September 21st 1850:-

"SLIDAM", OF CRAIL.-  Slidam was a small farmer, or pauchler, as they are called here, whose real name was David Mitchel. When the law passed that every cart should have the name of its owner painted on it, David paid no attention to the new regulation. One day when he was returning from Pittenweem with a load of coal, the Laird of Innergellie, who was a Justice of the Peace, inspected Slidam's cart, and found that he had transgressed the law.

"What is the reason you have no name on your cart?" said the Laird; "I dinna ken, Sir," answered David. "Ye dinna ken!" cried Innergellie, "Do you not see that every-one has a name on their cart but yourself?" "Ou, then," replied Slidam, in his soft and easy way, "If that's the case, ye'll easily ken mine frae the rest!"

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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #23 on: Monday 01 February 10 19:48 GMT (UK) »
Firstly Hello to Deb pleased to meet you
Harry I can't thank you enough for that "brief" but much appreciated information on the Myles line.
I had an auntie who was named after Helen Peebles' daughter Madeline. So her christian names were Madeline Wilson Peebles, quite a mouthfull.
I am more than happy to continue this exchange in a more direct manner. If Deb would like to do so then you are more than welcome.

Harry thanks again look forward to hearing from you and Deb

Charles   
Bett, Beveridge, Burns, Callan, Chiene, Dewar, Dumbarland, Eadie, Elder, Farnie, Grubb, Herd, Mackie, Meldrum, Methven, Mitchell, Murray, Myles, Peebles, Ruthven, Seath, Skein, Taylor, Turpie. All in Fife and mostly in Crail

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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #24 on: Monday 01 February 10 20:57 GMT (UK) »
Where are you based, Charles? I live in Edinburgh, about an hour's drive from Anstruther and Cellardyke. Were you brought up in Fife?

I concentrated on my direct MYLES ancestors above, but I also have info. on other members of the extended family.

Harry

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Re: Marriage of Andrew Dewar/Elizabeth Mitchell
« Reply #25 on: Monday 01 February 10 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Harry
I am new to RootsChat and have sent a reply through the personal messaging. Hope it works!
If not I'll answer this way.

Charles
Bett, Beveridge, Burns, Callan, Chiene, Dewar, Dumbarland, Eadie, Elder, Farnie, Grubb, Herd, Mackie, Meldrum, Methven, Mitchell, Murray, Myles, Peebles, Ruthven, Seath, Skein, Taylor, Turpie. All in Fife and mostly in Crail