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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 16 April 09 13:04 BST (UK) »
Hi fmni,
I would be interested to know if you have anything on my great grandfather John Dunwoody born 13.05.1854 in Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire. He married Anne Eliza Bird in Lisburn 19.04.1878 and continued living there. I believe he was a Grand Master in a lodge in Lisburn. I see you are researching relatives there and wondered if you had come across his name.
Any info would be appreciated.
Barry
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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 10:32 BST (UK) »
Hello fmni from Canada,

My great grandfather Alexander (Sandy) McCalmont was a member of St. John's Islandmagee Lodge #162 from 1897 - 1922. His son Samuel (Sammy) McClelland McCalmont was also a member of #162 from 1942 to his death in 1990. Sammy was also a member of Royal Arch Chapter #260 Redhall, Ballycarry from 1946 as well as a member of Royal Black Perceptory #324.

This is by way of an introduction to my request. Could you please provide me with a history of Islandmagee Lodge #162 including it's founding members?

On a personal note. As my ancestors were Masons am I entitled to acceptance in a lodge?

Thanks.

Roger

Hi Roger,

I've been looking into your request with some interesting findings - the name McCalmont in particular appears to be prolific in the Orange Order around the East Antrim area, such as Islandmagee, Larne etc - however the lodge you mention, St. John's Islandmagee LOL 162 doesn't appear to exist nor has it existed in the past.

However, there is a lodge called "Islandmagee LOL 1962" - this I believe is the lodge that you're interested in and would have been the lodge of your family. The warrant number 162 is actually issued to a lodge in Loughgall, County Armagh. It is possible when the Islandmagee lodge started that they wanted the number 162 but it's definitely LOL 1962.

I will certainly look into it further for you when I get a chance.

Regarding Islandmagee LOL 1962, the following is taken from "The Faithful & The True: A History of Orangeism in County Armagh"

The Lodge was formed in 1869. At the time no hall existed and the brethren may have met at Millbay or some other adjacent venue. The Orange Hall was later built in 1873 at a cost of £150 on a site at the side of what is now Browns Bay Road. Some of the subscription lists still exist and major subscriptions to the building fund were £2, £1, 10/- and 5/-.

In 1893 and 1894 the minutes show that the W.M. of the Lodge was Dr. William Shaw, son of the the Rev. R.H. Shaw, minister of Second Islandmagee Presbyterian Church. A bazaar was held in 1894 to raise funds to finally clear the debt on the building.

The existing warrant was issued in 1891 to Dr. William Shaw. A silk banner was purchased in July 1903 from a John Jameson of North Street. The banner cost £16 and a subscription list includes the names of Dr. Shaw and Colonel McCalmont M.P.

The lodge hosted the Larne District Demonstration in 1880, 1903 and 1929.

A new banner was purchased by the lodge in the 1950's, this being replaced in 1990 and then again in 1993, due to damage. This time the banner cost somewhere in the region of £1200.


There is a little more about the hall itself and about an influx of younger members in recent years and travelling to Scotland for the Scottish demonstration prior to the Twelfth itself.

Also of interest is the fact that there is a lodge called "McCalmonts True Blues LOL 697" - this lodge was named in honour of Colonel James McCalmont, M.P. who resided at nearby Magheramourne House. This lodge first met in premises at Kennedy Row in the village of Ballycarry.
HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - CLONES, Co. Monaghan: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down

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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 10:45 BST (UK) »
Hi fmni,
I would be interested to know if you have anything on my great grandfather John Dunwoody born 13.05.1854 in Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire. He married Anne Eliza Bird in Lisburn 19.04.1878 and continued living there. I believe he was a Grand Master in a lodge in Lisburn. I see you are researching relatives there and wondered if you had come across his name.
Any info would be appreciated.
Barry

I have been looking for references to the surname 'Dunwoody' within Lisburn District Number 6 and have across a 'Sam Dunwoody'.

Bro. Sam Dunwoody was a member of Flowerhill LOL 328 up until 1933 when he and two other members from the Flowerhill lodge set up their own lodge with the warrant number 327.

Given that the name Dunwoody would not be common in Lisburn I would say it's highly likely that your Great Grandfather John Dunwoody was also associated with the Flowerhill lodge. Do you know if he had a son called Samuel or Sam and whether they resided in the Hillhall area of Lisburn?
HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - CLONES, Co. Monaghan: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down

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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 10:56 BST (UK) »
Hi fmni

Would it be possible that you could have some info about a McCaldridge / Alexander (they used both names, don't know why??) were members of the Orange Lodge both in Ballymoney Co. Antrim ( from early 1800's I believe) and Lanarkshire Scotland(from 1893 onwards we think). I have a photo of the family at an Orange Parade.

My Great Great Great Grandfather was John McCaldridge / Alexander (?1829) married to Mary Jane Wilkinson in Finvoy Church.
My Great Great Grandfather James McCaldridge / Alexander married jane rainey and then Jane Mulholland, they moved over to Scotland between 1893- 1900 and became as afar as I am aware involed with the Orange Order, in turn my great grandfather William John Alexander was also a member.

If you have any info about these people I would be grateful for it. I know it is a long shot, but It would be interesting to know more about their involvement in the lodges.

Thank you in advance

I'm afraid I haven't had any success with McCaldridge or Alexander - the details I have on Ballymoney District are quite limited though. I have taken a note of the names and area of interest and if I come across anything in the future I will let you know.
HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - CLONES, Co. Monaghan: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down


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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 13:54 BST (UK) »
Hi fmni
I would be most grateful for any MCKNIGHT info you might have my family were members of the orange order over many generations my earliest was David McKnight living Ballinderry in 1851 he died be for 1864 the name was spell various ways /MCKNIGHT /MCKNIET/MCNEIGHT

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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 21:46 BST (UK) »
My grandfather - Henry Longmore Chapman was born in Lambeg in 1845. He joined the Antrim  Artillery Militia when he was 18, went to South Africa then came bak to Carrickfergus. He later moved to Liverpool where he met my granmother and I am led to believe that he was a very active member of the Orange Lodge in Liverpool. I am not sure if he became a member whilst in Carrickfergus but I would be interested to know if there are any details of him, he died in 1924 in Liverpool.
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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi fmni,
Thanks for the info about Dunwoody's. My gt. grandfather John only had one son William, who was my grandfather, he also had 5 daughters. They lived at 5 Ballynahinch Road, Lisburn. I don't know how that fits in with the area you mentioned. John had 3 brothers and I've recently found out on the Dunbartonshire board that 2 of them emigrated to New Zealand, so no Sam there. The only possibility is through his other brother David, but I have no marriage or children for him at present and I don't even know if he stayed in Scotland or went to N.I. or elsewhere!
Thanks for looking
Barry
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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 13:18 BST (UK) »
I've had a look at the 1911 census for Dunwoody's living in the Lisburn area. I think if you haven't already you should look into those living in the Ballymacbrendan DED. There is an overlap of names, and the head of house Jonathan (who had a son called Samuel) - he appears to have married in 1891 with his father listed as David Dunwoody.

I appreciate your Anne Eliza is 55 and widowed and living with her children in a different address and DED but these other Dunwoody's live in fairly close proximity and given the unusual surname it is probable to suggest they are related.

Definitely worth investigated these Dunwoody's from your family research perspective. good luck!


HILL - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: BANKS - Moira, Co. Down: ARMOUR - Lisburn, Co.Antrim: WALKER - Dromore, Co. Down: MAGEE - Lambeg, Co. Antrim: THOMPSON - Derriaghy/Magheragall, Co. Antrim: TITTERINGTON - Moira, Co. Down: McNEILL - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: SWAIN - Moira, Co. Down: IRVINE - CLONES, Co. Monaghan: TURNBULL - Lurgan, Co. Armagh: CARLISLE - Lisburn, Co. Antrim: MORROW, Lisburn, Co. Antrim: FORSYTHE - Magheralave, Co. Antrim: MARTIN - Ballinderry, Co. Antrim: REILLY, Magheralin, Co. Down

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Re: 12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 25 April 09 17:16 BST (UK) »
hi fmni, i am researching my grandfather james wilson dob may 8 1866 in dundonald,i 1892 he married elizabeth elwood  at st philip and st james in the parish of holywood,in 1893 in comber parish near newtonards in 1895 they lived at Mc clure road Belfast and in 1898 they lived at conlon street belfast after that they moved to England, i know that my grandfarther was in the orange order and can remember seeing his sash as a child any information, you can let me have will be of great help thanks den
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