12th July and Orange Lodges - Help offered

[fmni]

LOL 938 no longer exist but i'll try and find out what District they were in and work from there.

[HistoryTeam]

Thank you akanex2 and fmni for your helpful replies.

I plan to check out St Patrick's in the near future akanex2.

Hope you'll be able to dig up a little more fmni.

[fmni]

It's a start.... but the Warrant Number 938 was first issued in 1823 to a lodge in the townland of Lisnacreevy, Loughbrickland. It was then held in the Banbridge area up until 1875.

In 1884, it was issued to Ballyhackamore District, Belfast to the then Worshipful Master, Samuel Moffitt (may be mistranscribed from Moffett or Moffatt)

[HistoryTeam]

Thank you again fmni.

The information so far would suggest an east Belfast location for the photograph - possibly a new banner? I plan to check out a few of the local churches.

I don't think I mentioned earlier that my Grandfather, Andrew William Walker, is in the photograph and our family has mostly been east Belfast.

For your interest I have attemptet to attach the photograph to this message.

[akanex2]

I does look like St Patrick's, Ballymacarrett, to me.

[HistoryTeam]

Thanks again akanex2 for your interest.

I have been to St Patrick's, Newtownards Road, with the photograph and unfortunately can't get a match. For instance the design of the window behind the Banner doesn't seem to match any at St Patricks. I have also drawn a blank at several other churches (Pres & C of I) I checked in the Newtownards Rd/Albertbridge Road/Bloomfield/Ballyhackamore/Kings Road/Holywood Road areas. Admittedly the design does suggest C of I to me.

[akanex2]

St Patrick's was badly damaged in an air raid in 1941 and substantially rebuilt after the war - which is probably why the window looks different.  Maybe you could find old pictures from before the war in a local library which would help confirm if this is in fact the right church.

[HistoryTeam]

Thank you for that valuable bit of information akanex2.

In the 1st instance I have emailed St Patrick's (Ballymacarrett Group of Churches) for information.

I'll let you know the outcome.

[HistoryTeam]

I have confirmed this morning that the photograph was taken at St Patrick's, Ballymacarrett.

The Minister kindly give me access to, what is now, an enclosed area at the rear of the church where the view of the church, including the window, shown in the photograph was clearly visible and remained unchanged.

Furthermore, an elderly lady I met at the church indicated that, to her knowledge, the Lodge(s) paraded up Templemore Avenue prior to the men leaving for service in WWI. This could "possibly" date the photograph to around 1914.

Thank you again fmni & akanex2 for your interest and help.