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Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« on: Sunday 02 November 08 11:42 GMT (UK) »
I am searching for the marriage date of Daniel NICHOLS b c1834 Gustard Wood, Wheathamstead, Hertfordshire, d 1896 Wheathamstead, and Susan WARNER b c1835 Harpenden, Hertfordshire, d 1871 No Mansland, Wheathamstead.  It appears their eldest child was born (William) in 1858 at Wheathamstead so the marriage is possibly around 1858.  Sometimes the Nichols sirname is spelt with two L's and I have seen the Warner name spelt Warren and it appears to be by the dates etc the same person.  Daniel Nichols also had a second wife Maria Wright, m 1871.
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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 November 08 14:32 GMT (UK) »
Could it be that they didn't marry? The baptisms of some of their children are on the IGI in batch C008085 and record the parents as Daniel Nickols/Nicholls and Susan Warren/Warner. This could suggest that the parents were not married. If you look at the one in 1872 for Clara, there is no surname mentioned for Maria on that.

Are you able to look at the parish records in Hertfordshire or at an LDS centre?
http://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/famhist/parregs/

There might be extra info on the parish record.

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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 November 08 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Badgen

Daniel Nicholls and Maria Wright (nee Hornet) are my 3g grandparents.  Maria was actually Susan Warner's half sister - they were both daughters of Mary Swallow.  Susan never did marry Daniel - her death in 1871 is registered as Warner, likewise the births of their children are mostly registered as "X Nicholls WARNER" - with Nicholls officially being a middle name.  I haven't been able to establish why they didn't marry.  When Daniel and Maria married on Christmas Eve 1871, Daniel described himself as a widower.  Also, Daniel died in 1901 - you'll find him in the 1901 census with Maria at West Common in Harpenden.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 November 08 22:41 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou RichardK for that information it sheds an awful lot of light on why I kept coming to a dead end.  I had hoped that if I could get their marriage date I would be able to get a marriage certificate and find out from that who their parents and possibly families were.  I have nothing on Daniel Nichols parents but I had a possible for the parents of Susan and that being Francis Warner and Mary Swallow.  It looks like that has been confirmed now but I don't have Maria on the list with the rest of the siblings.  Do you have any more information that you would like to share about this family?  I'm not sure if this is the right thing to do but I will give you my email address if it makes it correspondence any easier. Thankyou so much for the information.


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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 November 08 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Badgen

I've noted your e-mail address (I imagine a passing moderator will delete it when they spot it - they don't like e-mail addresses being on display!).  I'll try and dig out my notes on the Nichollses over the next day or two and send you some information.  Off the top of my head, I know that Daniel was baptised in Luton in 1831 as Daniel William Nicholls (can't remember which spelling of Nicholls mind), but that his father, another Daniel Nicholls had been buried at Wheathampstead in 1830.  I know there's a greater than nine month gap between Daniel senior's burial and Daniel junior's baptism, but I suspect that just means Daniel junior was a few months old when baptised.  Daniel's mother was Hannah Filby, who remarried a John Maddox / Maddocks in 1839 in St Albans - you'll find Daniel in the 1841 and 1851 census living with his mother Hannah and step-father John Maddocks - indeed in one of those censuses he's actually listed as Daniel Maddox.  In one of them (1841 I think) he's just a couple of doors down from Francis and Mary Warner with children Susan and Maria Hornet, at Back Lane (which I think is now called Coldharbour Lane) in Harpenden.

Daniel senior, who died in 1830, was born about 1780 at Hudnall, near Great Gaddesden, which at that time was a detached part of the parish of Eddlesborough in Buckinghamshire.  I've got pretty good information on him up to 1814, because he fell foul of the poor laws that year and was 'removed' from Great Gaddesden to Wheathampstead - I've transcribed the statement he made to the magistrate in 1814.  He describes various farms in Bucks and Herts he'd worked at as a young man before joining the West Middlesex Militia about 1802.  He then served as a soldier until early 1814 (this is the period of the Napleonic wars of course).  On being discharged he returned to the Great Gaddesden area where he'd been born, but was unable to work due to a sprained shoulder.  He claimed poor relief from the parish of Great Gaddesden, but they didn't think he was their responsibility - and the magistrate agreed.  The last place he'd worked before joining the militia was Wheathampstead, so they decied he was Wheathampstead's responsibility, and the Great Gaddesden church wardens were instructed to deliver him to the Wheathampstead church wardens.

He obviously recovered and married Hannah Filby at Wheathampstead in 1819.

Hope that helps - I'll e-mail you the full information when I've found my notes.
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Richard.
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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 November 08 10:02 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou Richard,
That is just wonderful that you have found and recorded all that information. I will note it in my ancestry and thankyou once again and I look forward to hearing more from you.  There's been three of us looking for information on the Nichols family so you have no idea how wonderful it is that you have so much.
Thankyou.

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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 November 08 10:08 GMT (UK) »
it's not so much that moderators don't like email addresses, it's that spammers love them. You need to remove your email address from the post above by modifying or you'll leave yourself open to spam.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 November 08 10:10 GMT (UK) »
That's ok, I didn't know if it was an ok thing to do but I will remove it. Thanks again, Badgen.

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Re: Daniel NICHO(L)LS and Susan WARNER marriage lookup.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 29 March 11 05:32 BST (UK) »
today is my first time on this site and I am amazed at what I found.i live in qld and my husband is descended from emma prickett whose sister fanny married firstly frederick nicholls and then his brother arthur daniel.i have been researching daniel nichols and susan warner and have not been able to find their deaths .i did have a marr5iage for them on 24 june 1862 but maybe this is not true. i would love to contact richard in hertfordshire and exchange information
regards marlene