Missing Birth Certificate,Dublin ?

[Blue Moon]

Hello Everybody ~~~
I am try to find a birth certificate for my father. His Name was Edward Graham b1931 in Dublin - d1971 in England,his marriage certificate, Army records and death certificate all have the same date and place of birth (Dublin).
 I sent off to Roscommon records office without success,and a search 10 years each side of his birth date has been done at the record office at Dublin,again without success. If his birth was never registered I presume I will have to try and find Church records but where do I start?(not living in Ireland.) This has been ongoing now for many years,and I really need to progress  .
I will be grateful for any suggestion. Thank you


PS,if I've done this wrong or put it in the wrong place forgive me I'm new to Rootsweb

EDIT -
  Thanks to help received from here,I now have a Baptism record for my Dad 

[gormangenealogy]

Hello Blue Moon,
I am assuming from your username that you could be a Manchester City supporter like me.
I see you have done a 10 year search both sides of you father's birth date.
Did your father have any brothers and sisters that you know of. The reason i ask is why not try searching for their birth certs. If sucessful you should get the address where they lived, which in turn should tell you the Parish. You would be able to see if he was baptised in the same parish register.

What do you know of his parents?
Mothers maiden name?
Did they married here in Dublin?
Have you checked the 1911 Dublin Census which is on line free?
Click on the link below
www.census.nationalarchives.ie

Regards

[annieoburns]

I wonder if the name might have been registered as Graham Edwards? might he have been adopted?  Surely he had to produce a birth cert at some stage of his life? or is it just to get a passport?
Best of luck!

[Blue Moon]

HI  Noel,
 
First of all,yes I am,and what did you do to deserve all this suffering,nothing changes,dose it !!
 
Right,He had 3 brothers,1 sister and your right I will have to start looking for their births.
 
Fact = His mother was buried under the name of Hamilton,
don't know if she remarried but if she did I cant find a marriage in the area where she lived,but she did live with someone,
or did she revert back to her maiden name ?
 
Hearsay = Fathers name Peter, the family came over to England about 1945,
the parents (catholic +protestant,don't know which was which) never stayed together,
I believe my Dad's father stayed and worked in the docks in Liverpool,while the rest of the family went to Cheshire.
On my parents marriage certificate (married in England)  it Say's his father was deceased( i don't think he was)

If his father was Born in Dublin,this is the only family I can find on the 1911 census that would fit,

Residents of a house 10.2 in Moss St. (Trinity Ward, Dublin)
Surname Forename Age Sex
Graham Peter 31 Male

Graham Ellen 30 Female

Graham Peter 8 Male  (would have been about 34 when my Dad was born )

Graham Patrick 6 Male

I remember many years ago asking an uncle if we had any relations left Dublin,the answer was "we are related to half of Dublin"
it might have be a slight exaggeration but it gives me hope !!





Hi annieoburns,

Thanks for replying,

it dose make you wonder if you can go through life without a birth certificate.

I think that one day I will have to Go over to Dublin so I can search every variation possible or order the BMD index from the LDS and find my nearest Mormon church family history centre.

Thanks again both of you.

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi Blue Moon,

been having a similar problem myself but having seen the actual birth certificate, obtained much later, that my mum went through life with, I'm now aware of some of the complications.

As I understand it, so many people were not registering their children's births in Ireland, that an obligation was added to the householder of any building where a child was born, making them liable to fines too if no-one registered the child.

In my mother's case, they seem to have pre-empted this, as she was registered within two days, but not by a relative, simply someone "present at the birth" at the Rotunda hospital.  Her birth certtificate has all the required information for her parents, and her date of birth, but no child's name so you may be looking for a whole heap of unnamed male/female children.

Good luck with your research.

[gormangenealogy]

Hi,
If that is the family from Moss Street, there are two local Church that he could have been baptised in. Westland Row or City Quay.
If you like to send his date of birth by private message i could give Westland Row a call in the morning.

Regards
Noel

[Blue Moon]

Afternoon DudleyWinchurch,

So i'm looking for a needle in a hay stack........lol



Thanks Noel,
have PM you.

[Blue Moon]

Just thought i would update you,

Thanks to Noel,
I now have a baptism record for my father, Edward Graham,

 As a result of that I have been able to find out about my grandparents.

Their names were Peter Graham and Ellen Berney,
 they got married 5th Feb 1923,in the presence of Henry Breslin and Mary Moran.

My grand-father,Peter Graham,was a soldier,
residence 36 Mid Gardiner St Dublin.
His father was also a Peter Graham,profession = sailor .

Grand-mother Ellen Berney,residence 28 Summerhill Dublin,
her Father was = John Berney a laborer

 I think I'm safe going with the 2 families in the 1911 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Trinity_Ward/Moss_St_/92674/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Clarence_St__North/27686


Thank you to all who have helped,and taken time to read this thread.

[Oaks and Acorns]

Friday the thirteenth brought good news for some.

Dara.