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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #207 on: Friday 12 June 09 19:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Arbor!

Welcome to Rootschat!  That is fab info you have just supplied, I do hope you and Cimbrio get a chance to share info.

All the best,

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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #208 on: Sunday 14 June 09 21:46 BST (UK) »
This is fabulous! To find relatives like this is great, Internet doesn't cease to amaze me! ;D
Herefordshire: ALLEN (Colwall), CARTWRIGHT (Kington & Almeley), DAVIS (Colwall), EVANS (Pembridge), GODSALL (Colwall), JONES (Whitbourne), MORRIS (Kington & Kinnersley), MOUND (Wormsley), TIPPINS (Staunton-on-Arrow), RODWAY (Colwall), VICKRESS (Wellington & Hope-under-Dinmore), WATKINS (Almeley)
Shropshire: MOUND (Hope Bagot)
Worcestershire: PARKER (Kempsey)

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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #209 on: Friday 19 June 09 17:41 BST (UK) »
No news for Arbor yet, I hope he writes back soon! This is so exciting, to find relatives so easily!

I'd like to ask someone (wink @ Spidermonkey) to see if we can find out anything about Elizabeth Gatehouse, wife of William Vickress. They married in 1811 in Hope, but I've got that she was from leominster, don't know why. Also any ideas about William's ancestors?

Looking forward to my British trip!
Herefordshire: ALLEN (Colwall), CARTWRIGHT (Kington & Almeley), DAVIS (Colwall), EVANS (Pembridge), GODSALL (Colwall), JONES (Whitbourne), MORRIS (Kington & Kinnersley), MOUND (Wormsley), TIPPINS (Staunton-on-Arrow), RODWAY (Colwall), VICKRESS (Wellington & Hope-under-Dinmore), WATKINS (Almeley)
Shropshire: MOUND (Hope Bagot)
Worcestershire: PARKER (Kempsey)

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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #210 on: Friday 19 June 09 19:11 BST (UK) »
No news for Arbor yet, I hope he writes back soon! This is so exciting, to find relatives so easily!

I'd like to ask someone (wink @ Spidermonkey) to see if we can find out anything about Elizabeth Gatehouse, wife of William Vickress. They married in 1811 in Hope, but I've got that she was from leominster, don't know why. Also any ideas about William's ancestors?

Looking forward to my British trip!


Who? Me?  ;D

I can't do any look ups at the moment cos I'm back at work, but remind me in a few weeks time when it's school holidays and I shall see what I can do.  I think the only thing I turned up last time I looked, was a record that Elizabeth was the daughter of the parish clerk.


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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #211 on: Tuesday 15 February 11 09:31 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone!

After some time, I've come back to explore what I can about the Vickresses.

I decided to explore a branch a bit further, and this is what I've come up with, but if anyone can confirm this information or expand it if there are any missing persons, I'd be very thankful.

Henry Edward Vickress, son of William and Elizabeth, brother of my great-great-great-grandfather Frederick, was born in 1830 in Hope under Dinmore, Hereford. He had a twin sister, Diana, who seems to have died in 1851.

Henry married in Birmingham in 1854 Mary Davies. I think they had two children:
Caroline Ann, b.Mar 1855
Mary Ann, b.Jun 1857.

The family seems to have moved, or otherwise was registered in, Wolverhampton/Staffordshire.
Mary Vickress née Davies died in Sep 1857, so shortly after the daughter was born.

In Dec 1859 Henry remarried to Sarah Foizey. In Jun 1862 his youngest daughter from his first marriage died, and in Sep 1862 another daughter, christened Mary Ann, was born and given the deceased sister's name. She died in Jun 1863.
Around the time of the death, another sister was born, Mercy (b. Jun 1863) who is listed in the 1881 census with her mother. I know she died single in Jan 1886 after giving birth to an illegitimate son called Arthur, who died shortly after.
Henry Edward and Sarah had at least three more children: Jane (b.Sep 1867, d.Mar 1872), William Henry (b.Mar 1869, d.Mar 1872) and Drusilla (b.Mar 1873, d. Sep 1873).

In 1875 Henry Edward died aged 44-45. His widow died in 1881 shortly after the census was taken. His youngest surviving daughter Mercy died in 1886, and his oldest daughter from the first marriage died in 1891 in Kings Norton, Warwickshire. So by 1891 Henry Edward's family (himself, two wives and at least seven children) had passed away. as far as I can see, there are no descendants.

I'd like to know if the 1861 or 1871 census give any more information, whether it mentions any other children. Sometimes the surname is confused with Vickers (for instance on the BMD Index).

Thank you!
Herefordshire: ALLEN (Colwall), CARTWRIGHT (Kington & Almeley), DAVIS (Colwall), EVANS (Pembridge), GODSALL (Colwall), JONES (Whitbourne), MORRIS (Kington & Kinnersley), MOUND (Wormsley), TIPPINS (Staunton-on-Arrow), RODWAY (Colwall), VICKRESS (Wellington & Hope-under-Dinmore), WATKINS (Almeley)
Shropshire: MOUND (Hope Bagot)
Worcestershire: PARKER (Kempsey)

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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #212 on: Tuesday 15 February 11 17:30 GMT (UK) »
The 1861 gives them living in Fore St, Kingswinford

Henry VICKERS  Head  MAr  29 Carpenter  bn Herefordshire Hope
Sarah VICKERS  WIfe  Mar  31  bn Staffordshire Pensnett
Caroline VICKERS  Dau  6  bn Warwickshire Birmingham
Mary Elizabeth VICKERS  Dau  1  bn Staffordshire Pensnett

RG9; Piece: 2071; Folio: 68; Page: 34

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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #213 on: Tuesday 15 February 11 17:37 GMT (UK) »
1871 census: 91 Pearson St, Wolverhampton

Henry VICKERS  HEad  MAr  40  House joiner and painter  bn Herefordshire Hope under Dinmore
Sarah VICKERS  Wife  Mar  40  wife of house joiner and painter  bn Staffs Pensnett
Mary VICKERS  Dau  11  bn Staffs Pensnett
Mercy VICKERS  Dau 8  bn Staffs Pensnett
Jane VICKERS  DAu  3  bn Staffs Netherton
William H VICKERS  Son  2  bn Staffs Tipton

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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #214 on: Tuesday 15 February 11 17:53 GMT (UK) »
Spidermonkey, thank you once again :)

So there's Mary Elizabeth who hasn't popped up before...

It seems that the family moved about a bit, since the children were born in different places... Could Henry not hold on to a job, I wonder? I noticed his wife had no profession, but in 1881 is down as a "washerwoman".

I can't see Mary Elizabeth's birth entry on Free BMD, I would think she was Henry and Sarah's first child (and it's her who is down as Mary in the 1871 census...).

What I find odd is that they spell the surname Vickers, not VICKRESS, but in fact I've found Mercy's birth (for example) as VICKERS, not Vickress. Would it have been changed, or just a mistake? I know it's the same family as mine since Henry's the right age and comes from Hope-under-Dinmore.

Spidermonkey, thanks!
Herefordshire: ALLEN (Colwall), CARTWRIGHT (Kington & Almeley), DAVIS (Colwall), EVANS (Pembridge), GODSALL (Colwall), JONES (Whitbourne), MORRIS (Kington & Kinnersley), MOUND (Wormsley), TIPPINS (Staunton-on-Arrow), RODWAY (Colwall), VICKRESS (Wellington & Hope-under-Dinmore), WATKINS (Almeley)
Shropshire: MOUND (Hope Bagot)
Worcestershire: PARKER (Kempsey)

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Re: Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)
« Reply #215 on: Tuesday 15 February 11 18:53 GMT (UK) »
With the surname, I think it was just seemed as interchangable - a combination of poor literacy, and unfamiliar accents pronouncing the name.

Henry seems to have been recorded as a VIckress on the index ref for his death