Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)

[Spidermonkey]

I was wondering if any keen eyes could work out two places of birth on the 1861 census.  I'm trying to find Elizabeth Vickress (nee Gatehouse) place of birth which has been crossed out and Leominster scrawled over the top.  You then have 3 "Hope" births, and then a London birth (a 12 year old boarder in the house).  Can you read the London place of birth?     something place?


RG9; Piece: 1832; Folio: 92; Page: 3;

[Keziahemm]

The Hereford one could be Hyde Marsh 

London Maymore Place ?

Susan 

[cimbrio]

Sorry to have been a bit off the thread for a few days; we've discovered a few more ancestors via the Italian side, and it's all a bit stressful here (pre-Xmas).

Doesn't it look like it says Maynmore square or something like that?

Is there any way, by the way, of knowing the date of death of Elizabeth Morris, née Vickress? I don't know if my grandmother (b. 1917) ever met her; she certainly never met her grandfather Samuel, who appears already deceased in his daughter Elizabeth's marriage certificate.

Any luck with the Tippins? And the Mounds? I'll start my search now again. Sorry to have been offline, thanks for helping

[cimbrio]

One of the entries says Hampton something... Hampton Court which is "The principal residence is Hampton Court, built under the auspices of Henry IV., by Sir Rowland Lenthall, who distinguished himself at Agincourt"...

"HAMPTON COURT, an extra parochial liberty, locally in the parish of Hope-under-Dinmore, hundred of Wolphy, county Hereford, 5 miles S.S.E. of Leominster. It is situated on the eastern bank of the river Lugg, and is the site of the fine old seat of the earls of Essex"...

Who is who on that list anyway Spidermonkey? I mean which one corresponds with who?

[Spidermonkey]

1861 Census Hope Village, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Vickress  H  Wid  76  Householder  bn Heref Leominster (I think, something has been scribbled out and then Leominster written on top)
Drucilla VIckress  D unm  40  at home  bn Heref, Hope
Jane Vickress  D  unm  29  at home  bn Heref, Hope
Alfred Vickress  S  unm 25  carpenter  bn Heref, Hope
Thomas T W B Wade  Boarder  12  bn London Maymore PLace?
William Jones  lodger  40  Gamekeeper  bn Heref, Shobdon

The entry for Elizabeth Vickress is the one which looks like it originally said Lyde Marsh, but was scribbled out and Leominster scrawled over the top, and Thomas Wade is the London entry.

The Hampton Hill entry is not our family I'm afraid, I just included some entries to the top and bottom of our family to get some handwriting comparison.

I think the London entry might say Maismore - I think it looks like a y, but that it is actually the loop of the word below it.

[Spidermonkey]

Is there any way, by the way, of knowing the date of death of Elizabeth Morris, née Vickress? I don't know if my grandmother (b. 1917) ever met her; she certainly never met her grandfather Samuel, who appears already deceased in his daughter Elizabeth's marriage certificate.

Looking at freebmd, there are two possible deaths for Elizabeth:

Sep 1907   Morris  Elizabeth  aged 62  Hereford  6a 246
Jun 1930   Morris  Elizabeth  aged 84  Kington  6a 557

Obviously, if it were the latter, then your grandmother could easily have known her.
 I don't know whether you have Samuel and Elizabeth on the 1901 census - they are living in Leominster with two sons and their adopted daughter Ivy/Joy Thornton

[cimbrio]

Hello all, and happy new year!
 

I've just been on the phone with my gran's cousin, and she says she met "Grannie Morris" (i.e. Elizabeth Vickress) as a young child, so it must be the one who died in 1930.

On the other hand, when this cousin was a nurse during WWII she nursed a distant cousin who lost part of his left leg. He fell in love with her and wanted to marry her, but she refused. His name is William Vickress, so it must be William TJ Vickress, born 1912 (she was born in 1923).

She's also mentioned that her father, William Samuel Morris, married twice. The second was to Flossie Hopkins, of Neath, but she has no idea about the first wife; she probably died in child birth since there was also a child (a boy, she thinks) who also died. Any idea about this?

William Samuel Morris died in the 1970's and his wife 2 or 3 years after, but our cousin can't remember that either. Can anyone help?

[Spidermonkey]

Hi Dan, Happy new year to you too.

I'm off out for the day shortly, but I will have another read through tonight and see if we can sort out any of the new puzzles!

Best wishes,
Spider

[Keziahemm]

Happy New Year Spider and Dan.

I had a very quick look yesterday, read back through the thread, but haven't come up with anything as yet.

Susan