Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)

[Spidermonkey]

I think you are getting to the stage where you'll need to get certificates to prove all our theories.  Birth, marriage and death certificates cost £7, and you can order from here https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Will have another rummage later on - got to take my car in for an MOT (just what I need straight after Christmas!)

[Spidermonkey]

Going back to try and fill in some gaps.  Your Catherine Morris (bn 1849, Kinnersley) may have married Henry Hodges (Jun 1872 Newent 6a 449)

1891 census
Court Farm, Woolhope
Henry Hodges  H  Mar  53  Ag Lab  bn Woolhope, Heref
Catherine Hodges  W  Mar  49  bn  Kinnersley, Heref
Ernest H Hodges  Son  16  Garden Labourer  bn Linton Heref
Beatrice Hodges  dau  14  bn Linton
Edith M Hodges  dau  10?  bn Linton
Ethel M Hodges  dau  1? (the enumerators mark completely obliterates it!) bn Woolhope, Heref
RG12; Piece: 2053; Folio 92; Page 3

[Keziahemm]

Good find Spidermonkey

Catherine Morris and Henry Hodges were married 17th June 1872 at Linton.

Further details and baptism of children at Linton, from http://www.forest-of-dean.net/


Susan 

[Spidermonkey]

On the 1881 census, Catherine and Henry Hodges are in LInton at the Alma Inn, which makes me wonder whether Catherine Davies on the 1871 at the Alma Inn is really Catherine MOrris, but given the surname of her Aunt and Uncle with whom she is residing.

1871 census, Alma Inn, Linton, Herefordshire
John Davis  H  Mar  59  Inn Keeper  bn Kinnersley, Herefordshire
Catherine Davis  W  Mar  61  bn Canon Pyon, Herefordshire
Catherine Davis  niece  21  bn Kinnersley, Herefordshire

RG10; Piece: 2606; Folio: 39; Page: 9

[Spidermonkey]

Hi Susan,

Think I have to log onto the site to check, but if you are able to could you check the birth record for Ethel M Hodges bn apparently in 1890 - is she an after thought of Henry and Catherine, or are they bringing up a grandaughter as a daughter?

[Keziahemm]

Edith Mary is the last of Henry and Catherine Hodges children baptised at Linton.  Woolhope, where Ethel was born, isn't covered.

Perhaps she was late baby, it wasn't unknown for women to still be having babies in their early fifties 

Susan 

[cimbrio]

Wow girls! You've carried on the work and I haven't even come on here to see it. For some reason I've stopped getting messages telling me there's new posts here. No news by the way regarding the Morris family, aside from the Vickress guy my nan's cousin almost married.

I've checked on Genoom and Geneanet for Morris info but nothing so far, it's too vast... I wish I could just go to the UK and search for the information myself at the church registry.

Thanks again =)

[Spidermonkey]

Hi all,

Cimbrio sent me a message with some additional info, which he said I could post here:
It's been a long time I know since we spoke about the Morris/Cartwright/Vickress lot, but I recently got hold of a webpage which has helped fill in some holes. First of all I found that Montellion Cartwright and his wife Sarah Watkins had two children more, and the total children would be (all Cartwrights, with their christening dates; some I had listed as being from Kington, but I actually think they're from Almeley):
Dorothy, 6.feb.1774
Montilion, 5.1.1776
Richard, 23.4.1779
Thomas, 5.6.1782
Mary, 1.1.1786
Anne, 29.3.1789, married Samuel Morris.
Alexander, 20.5.1792, married Elizabeth Pugh, two children at least: Henry Alexander (b. 1836), Philip William (b.1843).
Thomas Philip, 23.8.1795.

Remember we found a "second" marriage for Montilion and another Sarah in 1802? Well I think it's the younger Montilion (i.e. the one born in 1776) who married Sarah Morgan, and THEY were the parents of James Cartwright (1803) and Montilion Cartwright (1805). Of course I haven't found anything to prove all this but it seems more plausible.

[cimbrio]

Hello girls (and everyone else), I hope we can get back to discussing this a bit, since I owe it to you both everything I have found out.

I recently discovered on this webpage http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;r=1 that Anne Cartwright was the daughter of Montillion Cartwright and Sarah Watkins (which we already knew); Sarah Watkins was christened on 10.Dec.1752 in Almeley; her parents were a Philip Watkins/Watkyns and Dorothy Tringam, who had married on 14.Oct.1749 in Almeley. Sarah had at leats two other brothers, Philip (chr. 13.8.1755), and Thomas Watkins (chr. 4.Feb.1758). I don't know anything else about them.

Now what I found about the Tringams is rather interesting.  Dorothy Tringam was christened on 28.1.1727 in Almeley and her parents were John Tringam and wife Dorothy. As far as I've seen, they had 4 other children: Thomas (chr. 2.3.1717 Almeley), John (12.2.1719), Elizabeth (19.4.1723), and Francis (9.3.1725). I know nothing about them.

I've seen that the surname Tringam can also be spelt Tringham and Stringham, and that the Tringam family came from France around 1572, escaping French Catholic repression, since the Tringams were Calvinist Protestants (Huguenots). A branch emigrated to New England.