Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)

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A William F Morris (transcription error?) married Eiddwen Hopkins in Sept qtr 1930 Neath 11a 2097

Hi Susan, happy new year!

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Nope, I found William married Flossie T Hopkins Jun 1922 in Neath, Wales. Their daughter Joan is my gran's cousin I rang yesterday. However, she insists her father's name was William Samuel; I've foudn William Edward. William Samuel was her only brother, born Sep 1925 in Colwall (he was killed in the war off the coast of Ireland).

I don't know who was his first wife; his brother Samuel Charles also married twice; the second wife was called Kate, though everyone called her "Auntie Arkie". I think the first wife may have been Alice Tipton...

I wish I could just go to an archive and search for all this myself, I mistrust all these search machines online, you never know if they've been properly transcribed.

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Well done for finding the marriage.  Did you notice Flossie's birth ref suggests her middle name is Theodore.

My brain is a bit confuddled as to where William Samuel Morris fits into everything - do we have his parents?  Was he born in 1894?

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I understand how you can be a bit muddled. Here's how it goes:

Elizabeth Vickress (1846-1930), married 1876 Samuel Morris (1851-1909). Had four children + one adopted daughter. Children were:

Ellen "Nell" Morris, b. 1878 Almeley, married 1906 in ledbury, Walter "Freddie" Watts, who seems to have been a preacher. No children.
Elizabeth "Bessie" Morris (1879 Pembridge - 1963 Colwall), married 1910 Colwall, William John Allen (1876-1960). Three children, including my gran.
Samuel Edward Morris (b. 1881), married 1st (possibly) Alice Tipton; one son, called Lesley; married secondly in 1926 Kate. She was a widow; no idea if they had children together. Lesley is already dead.
William Samuel/William Charles (b.1883), married 1st unknown; one son, which died young or at birth, same as the mother; married 2nd Flossie Theodora Hopkins, of Neath. Two children: Joan Theodora and William Samuel (who died in the war).
Ivy Thornton (no relation proven so far); born 1892 in Worthing; married 1917 in Ludlow, Lancelot Nach; two sons: William L. (1920-1983), buried in Windsor Castle; and Leslie (b. 1924).

I'd love to learn more about Samuel and William, their wives and children...

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1881 Brook House, Almeley
Samuel Morris  H  Mar  32  Carpenter  bn Heref Norton Cannon
Elizabeth Morris  W  Mar  34  Carpenters wife  bn Heref Staunton on Arrow
Ellen Morris  Dau  2  bn Heref Almeley
Elizabeth Morris  Dau  1  bn Heref Almeley
RG11/2599/34/7

1891 Norton Road, Pembridge
Samuel Morris  H  Mar  41  Carpenter and wheelwright  bn Heref Norton Canon
Elizabeth Morris  W  Mar  43  bn Heref Staunton on Arrow
Ellen Morris  dau  12  Scholar  bn Almeley
Elizabeth Morris  dau  11  Scholar  bn Almeley
Samuel Morris  son  9  Scholar  bn Almeley
William Morris  son  8  scholar  bn Almeley
Albert Williams  visitor  4  scholar  bn Weobley
RG12/2077/92/10

1901 "Hagley Castle" Cottage, Bodenham
Samuel Morris  H  Mar  51  Journeyman carpenter  bn Kinnersley
Elizabeth Morris  W  MAr  54  bn Staunton on Arrow
Samuel Morris  son  Unm  19  Journeyman Mason  bn Almeley
William MOrris son  Unm  18    cowman on farm  bn ALmeley
Ivy Thornton  adopted dau  9  bn Sussex Worthing
RG13/2494/13/18

Dec qtr 1926  Samuel Morris m Kate A Arkinstall (Leominster 6a 1100)
Mar qtr 1912 Kate A Bird m William H Arkinstall  (Corwen 11b 393) (Kate's first marriage?)

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I'm not wholly convinced by the Samuel Morris m Alice Tipton - Samuel's middle name is given as Charles, whereas you seem to have it as Edward.

Perhaps just a wierd coincidence, but there is a Samuel Morris m Elizabeth BIRD!!! at Leominster 6a 1178 (Dec qtr 1913)

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Hmmmm.  Leslie S J Morris (mother's maiden name Bird) was born Mar qtr 1917 Leominster 6a 771

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As always, Spider, you've been absolutely wonderful. I'm just going to put all the info in the tree. Don't take my word about Samuel being called Charles or Edward, to be honest I don't know for certain and the only person who might know, our cousin Joan, can't remember anyway. I guess we will have to ask for the birth certificates, eventually, but I understand they're expensive, are they not? here in Spain any certificate is free, it's the church certificates that cost about 6 pounds..

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There's also a Philip H. Morris (mother's name Bird) born Leominster Sep 1921... Will have to tackle cousin Joan about him...

Does seem like Samuel married Elizabeth Bird and after he was widowed he married Kate Bird... Perhaps she was his sister-in-law? I'll check the census see if I can find something