Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)

[Spidermonkey]

woo hoo!  Looks like Fredrick's wife's maiden name was Tippins.  Which is the name of the family who Elizabeth and Milbrow were visiting in 1851 - their grandparents perhaps?

Marriage ref:  Frederick Vickress and Ann Tippins  Sept qtr 1846  Presteigne  26 379

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Excellent. Well perhaps Ann Tippins is the daughter of John and Susan Yippins, and the sister of John Jr, Jonathan and Susan Jr. Any idea about that?

On the other hand, I'd like you to confirm, if you can, whether Caroline Morris (chr. 7 Jan 1816 in Grendon Bishop) was also Samuel and Ann Cartwright's daughter.

Jumping onto the next generation, any idea if Catherine Morris (b.1849) had children, or when she died? I think she married George Smith in Jun qrtr 1874 in Weobley.

And any idea of what happened to William and Ellen Vickress's children, John, Milbrow, Ann drusilla etc?

What about William Vickress (father of Frederick and the other 11 kids)? Any idea about his family, origins...? And the Gatehouses, where did they come from? I must visit Hope under Dinmore!

Thanks 

PS: Spidermonkey, do NOT worry about going off on a tangent, I find all the info you're giving me VERY useful and I'm so grateful!

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Possible deaths for:

Deaths Jun 1851 
Vickress    Diana         Leominster    26   162 = Frederick's daughter?

Deaths Sep 1857   
Vickress    William Thomas         Presteigne    11b   99 = Frederick's son? It would explain the next child was also called William...

Deaths Mar 1865
VICKRESS    James         Presteigne    11b   127 = Frederick's youngest child?

Deaths Dec 1915 
Vickress    Hannah    82    Hereford    6a   656 = Alfred's widow?

What about these marriages?

Marriages Jun 1916 
Vickress    Millbrough    Jenks    Leominster    6a   1193

Marriages Dec 1921
Vickress    Ann D    Green    Leominster    6a   1264

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Could this be Jane Vickress, daughter of William and Elizabeth?

Deaths Sep 1855
Vickress    Jane         Presteigne    11b   102

[Spidermonkey]

1841 census:  Stanton on Arrow

Quarry field??

Thos Tippins  50
Elizth Tippins  55
Richard Tippins  18
Ann Tippins  15

All born in county

Could this be your Ann?  Perhaps not the daughter of John and Susan, but the niece?

[Spidermonkey]

RE:  Catherine Morris

1881 Census
Kingswood, Kington
George Smith  H  Mar  35  General Lab  bn AScot, Oxfordshire
Kate Smith  W  Mar  29  bn  Heref, kington
Elizabeth A Smith  D  7  bn Heref, Kington
Frederick Smith  S  5  bn Heref, Kington
Arthur G SMith  S  2  bn Heref, Kington
John Herbert Smith  S  9mnths  bn Heref, Kington
Hannah Morris  mother in law  Wid  62  bn Heref, KIngton

I think this means it is back to the drawing board with your Catherine marrying George, unless her mother changed her name, and was in two places on census night

[Spidermonkey]

I stand corrected!  Milboro'  might well be a girls name!  Look who I have just found on the 1901 census

1901 Herefordshire
Hope Coaling Hill, Hope under Dinmore
William Vickeress  H  Married 40  Carpenter  bn Lyonshall, Heref
Ellen Vickeress  W  Married 45  bn Kinnersley
John VIckeress  S  11  school boy  bn Eardisland, Heref
Milboro' Vickeress  D  9  school girl  bn Eardisland
Ann Vickeress  D  7  school girl  bn Eardisland
Eleanor Vickeress  D  5  school girl  bn Eardisland
Frederick Vickeress  S  3  bn Eardisland
Thomas R Vickeress  S  2mnths  bn Hope (presumably Hope under Dinmore), Heref

Just bringing this forward so I can see whom I am researching.

Dan, you probably know that the 1901 census is the last census to have been released, so you will have to wait until 2011 to get confirmation about where the children are, but we can see if there are any possible events.

John Vickress m Ellen Rawlings  Mar qtr 1912,  Leominster 6a 761. 
Children:  6 children born between 1912 and 1929, details not posted because of possibility of some being alilve now.  Will PM Cimbrio the details.

Millbrough Vickress m Austin T Jenks  Jun qtr 1916  Leominster 6a 1193
Children:  on Freebmd, 2 children transcribed to Jenks and Vickress between 1917 and 1928

Ann D Vickress m John F Green Dec qtr 1921  Leominster 6a  1264
Children:  4 children transcribed to Green and Vickress between 1922 and 1930

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I didn't know that we'd had to wait till 2011... But still, the info you've given me is tremendously useful. I'll have to search the phonebooks to see if any of the younger Vickresses are still alive in the area... Maybe contacting Hope under Dinmore will be the first step.

Thank you for the information you sent me on the PMs.

As for Catherine Morris marrying George Smith, I agree it seems rather unlikely that it's MY Catherine Morris... I must bug my gran's cousin Joan to see what she can come up with.

By the way, I was looking on the IGI thingie and apart from finding the facts you've already forwarded me, I found an entry for a baptism for a William Vickress around 1790:

William Vickress
12 Apr 1787 Hope under Dinmore
son of William and Mary Vickress

Is there any way of corroborating this? By the way, Gatehouse seems to be a rather odd surname, any idea where they came from? And still abusing of your good help, any news on the Mounds or Tippins? I've found nothing online for the moment but I'm still searching.

Thanks!

[Spidermonkey]

Without looking at the parish records, we will just have to assume that you have found your William Vickress, son of William and Mary.  Incidently, did you also see the marriage between WIlliam Vickress and Mary WIlliams (12 Jul 1784) in Wellington, Hereford (about 2 miles down the road from Hope under Dinmore).  There is also a William Vickress bn 1759 in Wellington.

Also according to the IGI, an Anne Tippins was christened 12 Mar 1823, Staunton on Arrow to John and Susan.  I don't know whether this is the right Ann, because if you remember on the 1841 census, Ann was with Thomas and Elizabeth.  However the 1841 census does not give family relationships so at this moment we cant say for certain who Ann belongs to!