Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)

[cimbrio]

Have found two marriages, both to a Sarah, for Mantilian Cartwright in marriage index

6th June 1772 at Almeley
Mantilian Cartwright = Sarah Watkins

23rd November 1802 at Staunton-on-Wye
Mantilion Cartwright = Sarah Morgan  (Groom from Kington)

Susan 

So... Did Montelion/mantelion marry twice? There does seem to be a slight gap of age between Thomas Cartwright (b.1795) and the next child, James (1803); my guess is that James and Montilion Jr were mothered by Montilioon Sr's second wife, Sarah Morgan, while the first lot were the issue of Sarah Watkins... Is there any way to confirm this? What about Alexander Cartwright's children? I've found on FreeBMD that a Mantilion Cartwright died in 1838; I'm guessing it's Mantilion Jr, as the father would have died in 1810. What do you think?

[Puffcat]

The Montillion who died in 1838 was 63 !

[Spidermonkey]

A possible census return for Alexander and his family.

1841 Census Monmouthshire, Old Road, Trevethan
Alexander Cartwright  45  Labourer  Not born in county
Elizabeth Cartwright  30  Not born in county
Henry Cartwright  5  Not born in county
Thomas Cartwright  2  Born in county

IGI has an entry for Thomas Patteshall Pugh Cartwright, born to Alexander and Elizabeth Cartwright, christened in Trevethin, Monmouthshire 1 Sept 1839

[Spidermonkey]

1851 Census  Monmouthshire
River Row, Trevithin
Alexander Cartwright H  52  Labourer in ironworks  bn  Herefordshire Kington
Elizabeth Cartwright  W 45  bn  Breconshire  Llanwithals?
Evan Pugh  Lodger  75  Labourer in ironworks bn Breconshire  Llanwithals.

(surname transcribed on Ancestry as Cortright)

[Spidermonkey]

Perhaps for James (bn 1803)

1851 Census:  Chelsea
1 James St
James Cartwright  H  48  Letter carrier  bn Herefordshire, Kington
Ann Cartwright  W  43  bn Berks ?
Ann Cartwright  D  8  bn Middlesex Chelsea
James Cartwright  S  2  bn Middlesex Chelsea

1861 Census:  Chelsea
4 Bucks Place
James Cartwright  H  58  Letter carrier  bn Herefordshire, Kingston
Ann Cartwright  W 53  bn Bucks, Basildon
Annie Cartwright  D  18  Student in home............bn Middlesex Chelsea

Can someone have a look over this entry - it looks like it says that Annie was a student in home and colonial something  RG9  Piece 34  Folio 116  Page 12

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1871 Census
28 Grape St, Greenwich
James Cartwright  H  68  Supervisor of letter carrier (I think)  bn Hereford Kington
Ann Cartwright  W  63  bn Berks, Basildon
Annie Cartwright  D  28  Matron or school mistress?  bn Middlesex Chelsea
Emma Bloomfield  visitor  29   annuitant  bn Middlesex Islington

[Keziahemm]

Can someone have a look over this entry - it looks like it says that Annie was a student in home and colonial something  RG9  Piece 34  Folio 116  Page 12

Could be Tran g Inst  (ie Training Institute) 

Susan 

[cimbrio]

I've found this page on the Watkins; they came from Staunton-upon-Wye, the same place Montelion Cart. allegedly married his second wife.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~watkinsbrown/

By the way, any news on Samuel cartwright Morris's siblings: Mary (b.1820 Kington), Edward Scarlett (b.1821 Eye), Charlotte (1826 Kington) and perhaps Caroline (1816, Grendon Bishop)?

Regarding Samuel C.M.'s daughters (for it seems Richard died single sometime after 1901), here's what I've found which seems plausible:

Catherine (b.1849 Kinnersley), married George Smith in Jun 1874 in Weobley.
Ellen (b.1855 Kinnersley) married William Vickress in Jun 1889 in Kington.
Mary (b. 1867 Kinnersley) married Amos Lane in Dec 1888 in Kington.

I thought that Samuel Morris (their brother) married Elizabeth Alice Vickress, of Deal (Kent), but in one census entry (1881, Almeley, where they lived) it says she's from Staunton-on-Arrow...

Any help?

[Keziahemm]

1901 census Elizabeth's place of birth is also given as Staunton-on-Arrow.
RG13/2494 folio 13 page 18.

Perhaps she was working in Kent    Have you found Samuel and Elizabeth's marriage?

Susan