Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)

[cimbrio]

Hi Spider!

Good to "read" you again. Does Hereford R Office cover all of Herefordshire? I don't know if you need to pay for the certificates, or if it's freee to just have a look at them. If so, then I'd like to know about the death of Susan Tippins (maiden name unknown), mother of Ann Tippins and mother-in-law of Frederick Vickress, who you'll remember died in 1884 aged 101. Her reference is Kington    6a   335 (that's why I don't know if her certificate will be there).

I'd also like to know about the marriage of Ellen Mound and Samuel Morris (Weobley    26   411, Weobley, Jun 1848).

And if you can, I'd like to know about Charles Henry Vickress's mother, called Ann; his father is Edward Vickress (born 1835) who we think is the illegitimate child of Mary Ann Vickress (Frederick's elder sister). Charles Henry was born in Sep qrtr 1870 in Lyonshall, and died in 1915.

That's all I can think of. Wayne Vickress (vickress on this webpage) has contacted me and we're trying to find out if there's a link between both families. I'll let you know what I've found and see if we can all find out something else.

Thanks Spider!

[Spidermonkey]

Hereford R. O. does cover all of Herefordshire.  As far as I know, I wont be able to look at the death certificate, but I will see if there is an obituary in the local paper (can't be too many people dying aged 101!)  WIll also look up the other things - again it wont the be the certs, but the entries in the church records.

Will also look for the birth of Ellen Mound, as I don't think we've cracked that one (will have a reread of this thread just to check though!)

[cimbrio]

Hello all,

this is what I've found about what I think is vickress's family tree, according to what he says on his webpage above. My sources have been the 1911 census, Free BMD and Family Search; if anyone can corroborate in any way the following information I'm sure he'll be most grateful; I'd like to know if his family and mine are connected, since his family seem pretty much London based and mine don't seem to go out of Herefordshire.

The tree is as follows:

James Vickress (may have died Dec 1852 in Shoreditch), married Ann. Parents of the following, all born in Bethnal Green and christened in St. Leonard's or St. Matthew's:

William Henry Vickress (b. 12 April 1821 in Bethnal Green)
Jane Ann Vickress (b. 8 March 1823)
John Vickress (b. 9 June 1832)
George Vickress (b. 12 July 1834)
James Vickress (b. 8 September 1827)
Barnard Vickress (b. 24 April 1830)

William Henry Vickress married Mar qtr 1848 in Bethnal Green to Sophia Smith; he died in 1897 aged 75, she died in 1886 aged 68. They had the following children, all from Bethnal Green too:

Sarah Ann Vickress (b. Sep 1848), married Alfred Rea.
William George Vickress (b. 30 August 1851, christened two years later)
Thomas Vickress (Mar 1854, died Sep 1855)
James John Vickress (June 1858, died Jun 1859)
Thomas James Vickress (born 13 July 1856), married Mary Singleton in Sep 1881.
Eliza Sophia Vickress (born 14 July 1859), married also in 1881.
William Vickress (Jun 1860, died Dec 1861).

Thomas James Vickress and Mary Singleton had nine children at least; two girls called Mary (one born and died in 1884, the other one born and died in 1885), one Sophia (1890-1891), Thomas William (b. 1894), Eliza (born in 1888 or 1883), William Henry (born 1896), Margaret (born 1892), Ethel Mary (b. 1901), Florence Sarah (b. 1887, married 1915 Arthur Ostwald or Gatward).

There are other branches of Vickresses, like the one that stems out of the marriage between Edward Vickress and Rebecca Baylis, who married on Feb 4th 1769 on Hope under Dinmore. They children: Edna, Edward, Mary, Rebecca (I), Rebecca (II), and William. Maybe, just maybe, the younger Edward married Maria Charlotte Meliar in 1806 and had children: Charlotte, Maria Ann, James, Thomas and William.

Phew!

[cimbrio]

Hello all,

been offline a bit lately. Got a free hour here so trying to get some things sorted on the family tree. I've reached a major stumper which maybe someone might be able to help me with. It's about the Allen family who as you know married into the Morros family (my great-grandparents William and Elizabeth). William Allen's mother, Jane, was born Jane Davis on April 10th 1846 in West Malvern. Her parents were John Davis and Maria Parker, who married in West Malvern on March 17th 1845. I think Maria was the Maria Parker born in October 1814 in Kempsey (Worcestershire), daughter of William Parker and Sarah Smith, both of Alderminster. If anyone can (a) confirm the info on the Parkers, and more importantly, (b) tell me something about John Davis (where was her from, for instance; it must say his age and place of birth on the 1851 census, but I have no access to it, and Davis is such a common name that I've found it impossible to find anything else on him).

Thanks again!

Spidermonkey, did you find anything in the Record Office?

Regards!

[Spidermonkey]

Hiya, 'fraid I didn't find anything useful in the records office.  Sorry    When you come over in September we can have another bash at it then!

Your Jane Davis in 1861 is here:

Wytche Road, Colwall
John Davis  Head  56  Wood dealer  bn Colwall Herefordshire
Maria Davis  Wife  46  Grocer  bn Kempsey Worcestershire
Jane Davis  Dau 14  Scholar  bn Colwall Herefordshire
James Howell Boarder  4  Scholar  Place of Birth not given

RG9; Piece: 1808; Folio: 50; Page: 3

[cimbrio]

Thanks Spidermonkey, I'll let you know when I'm going exactly, I so look forward to doing a little research there.

I've looked on Family Search for John Allen from Colwall born around 1805 and there's two candidates:
one christened on June 26th 1803/1804 (both dates appear, but it's the same person I'm sure), son of Mary Davis and unknown father, OR one christened on Aprul 5th 1807, son of John Allen and Phoebe (no other Phoebes in the tree so far)...  If there's any way to know which one of them is my John Allen I'm all ears

Thanks Spidermonkey!

[Spidermonkey]

Now you've confused me! Who is John Allen?  But as to which John Allen - if he married after 1837, you could get his marriage cert and see who he states is his father.

[cimbrio]

Yes, you are quite right, I'll do just that.

I meant John Davis, sorry!

His grandson William John Allen (through his only daughter Jane Davis) married Elizabeth Morris, daughter of Samuel Morris and Elizabeth Vickress.

I'm going to see if we can order the certificate today

[arbor]

Hi
I thought I would throw my hat in the ring.
I have learnt this all very recently so am learning about my history slowly, I would quite like to learn more, I hope the following information is of interest to you.
My Great Grandmother was Mary Morris who married Amos Lane, when Amos died my Grandmother Emily Ellen Lane, her brother Thomas Charles Lane, sister Catherine Mary Lane went with their mother Mary Née Morris to live with Samuel C Morris and Ellen (who by all accounts was a very feisty Lady) They lived with them until Samuel died.
   I have a clock which I inherited from my Grandmother who could remember it hanging on Ellen and Samuel’s wall when she lived with them. There’s also a family Bible with a family tree in it going back a long way. I saw it as a child but don’t know what happened to it, I’ll ask around the family? I do remember there being   a Spanish name in it. I wonder if anyone knows where it fits in.
   My grandmother met her husband William Arthur Brown born 1886 through their parents knowing each other as he was born in Prestbury not far from Macclesfield, I’m wondering if there is any connection with his parents Henry Brown born 1848 and Elizabeth Ann neé Hindley born 1846. As Diana and Thomas Frederick Vickress both Married in Macclesfield, any ideas?
   Just a thought, were your Nan and Auntie Joan my mother Mary Ellen Brown (deceased) cousins? If they were could you please ask if they ever met one another?
   You asked about William L Nash, he visited my grandmother from time to time, she also stayed with him and his wife at Windsor Castle, they lived in an arms house in the castle grounds, he was a charming man, I think he may have been head of the household there, after retiring from a military career, I remember he had the most beautiful ceremonial drum, I am unsure as to whether he had any children.
   Any news on Ellen Mound?  All I know is her father was Thomas Mound.


Regards


Arbor