Samuel Morris's family (c. Hereford)

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I really don't know if we're barking up the wrong tree of if it's the same Edward, because if he appears as Caldwell but then he married and his children were Vickresses then it's a different person... I'd like to find out more about Mary Ann Vickress, his presumed mother, who was born on or around February 2nd 1813 in Hope under Dinmore; she isn't listed as living with her family in 1841... Can anyone fish out Mary Ann Vickress's marriage to Joseph Caldwell, to see her father's name? Have you noticed that one of her alledged daughters is called Drusilla, like Mary Ann's sister? (And Elizabeth...)

As to William Alfred's murder, does anyone have the article?

Thanks all for your help

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Dan, PM me your email address and I'll send you the article.

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It is not unusual for a child born prior to a marriage to be enumerated on a census with the same surname as the head of the family - even if they were not the child of the head of household. 

Certainly, I can't see another Mary Ann Vickress around at the same place and at the same time so it would seem that Edward Vickress, son of Mary Ann, is the same person as Edward Caldwell.

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In that case I'll place Edward as her son before she married, and then add the marriage to J. Caldwell.

Thanks for the e-mail Spidermonkey, already rang my dad to tell him; curiously William Alfred was killed on the day of my birthday (some years before I was born of course). Also got your guestbook entry on tribalpages, thanks!

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So it seems Mary Ann Vickress (1813-?) had a child called Edward Vickress (1835) by an unknown father. She then married in 1837 Joseph Caldwell, and had five children:

William (1839 Hope under Dinmore)
Elizabeth (1840 Hope under Dinmore)
James (1842 Saint Margaret's)
Drusilla (1847 Saint Margaret's)
Selina (1849 Kingswinford).

I'm trying to find dates of death and so on but to no avail. I saw that Edward Vickress was an invalid soldier in one census. I wonder if we can search for that... Would he have been injured in a war.

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News!

Charles Henry Vickress (b. Sep 1870) was NOT the son of Frederick Vickress and Ann née Tippins, but rather the son of Edward Vickress and Ann (maiden name for the moment unknown). The only Edward I've found is one born in 1835, son of Mary Ann Vickress (there is a Henry Edward Vickress, 1830-1875, but I don't think it's him) and unknown father. I think it's the Mary Ann Vickress born in 1813, elder sister of Frederick Vickress, so Edward was Frederick's nephew and Charles Henry his great-nephew).

If anyone can confirm this (census info etc) please confirm so I can change Charles Henry's position on the tree.

Thanks!

Am unsure of Edward son of Mary Ann being the same Edward father of Charles.  We have Edward son of Mary on 1871 census as apparently single, and I've just found him on 1891 census living alone in Wellington.

Fingers crossed, I'll be going to the record office in May, so I'll have a look through the parish records etc to see if there are any clues.

Where did you get the info that Charles was the son of Edward and Ann?

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http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults;givenName=Charles;surname=Vickress;searchId=111263133538228930000;collectionId=1473014;searchType=standard

Charles Henry Vickress, christened on 21 August 1870 in Lyonshall, son of Edward and Ann.

I'm in a rush now, packing, going on holiday for 5 days (the Adriatic no less). Hope you all have a nice tiem meanwhile, and I hope I'll finds lots of new info when I come back (fingers crossed)

Take care, thanks Suzy!

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Enjoy your holiday!

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I think that William Vickress (brother of Frederick) married Mary Orchard who was the aunt of Hannah Orchard who married Alfred Vickress (brother of William and Frederick) 

Going away for the weekend, but will try to post dates etc when I come back