Arthur Kemp Maltby Rotherham

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Hi Duckweed,

If it was Charles then explains why William named one of his children Charles Kemp Teasdale!
Bingo!

Bronnie

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This is what I've got so far. Obviously I'm going to have to check Parish records myself to confirm it, and maybe a few certificates too. Hannah Matthews was baptised in Rawmarsh 27th May 1792, Her father was William Matthews probable  baptism 18th Aug 1768 Rawmarsh. He turns up in Tickhill in 1851 as father in law to Kemp family including Mary Kemp. It lists her as a wife but no husband on scene. Look back at Parish records and find there is a Mary Matthews born to William baptised 20 Mar 1796 in Rawmarsh. Then in the Tickhill records there is a Marriage of a Mary Matthews to a Charles Kemp. I think the family was not very good at remembering ages. This is usually a sign of illiteracy in my experience. I've ordered Henry Jarvis's marriage certificate so that will tell me a bit more about the family. I obviously now have to do more work on the Kemp family now I have established the link. I note the Jarvis family is never far away from the Kemps. Maybe its a case of marrying the girl next door.   

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I think this is a little more interwoven. Looked up Tickhill baptisms on IGI couldn't find Charles but have come up with a Robert Jarvis Kemp baptised 21 Aug 1812 to Joseph and Mary in Tickhill. Marriage Joseph Kemp to Mary Jarvis 26 Jun 1808 in Tickhill.  Can't get how Joseph Kemp links in with other Kemps but I'm pretty sure he does.

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I wonder if Joseph Kemp was Charles Kemp's brother and possibly John Kemp's too. Their father being John Kemp? My minds spinning at the moment so maybe I should take a break and wait till I get to Archives.  William Kemp born 1829 would appear to be Robert Kemp 1838s brother but I haven't confirmed it yet.

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 Hi Duckweed.... Now I am confused! On looking at the censuses I found a George b 1776 married to a Ruth b 1781. it seemed they had a couple of sons- one a John b 1801 who married a Mary ( which I thought could be Mary Matthews )- then a George a shoemaker same as his father George. Younger George married an Emma b 1819-1865.

Mary appeared on an 1841 census with son Robert b 1838 who married Angelina ( son Arthur Kemp ) and daughter Emma b 1836.

It seemed that old George b 1776 may have had brother Joseph b 1778 ( unless a cousin perhaps)> Joseph married Mary Jarvis and thet had Malin 1809, Robert 1812 a farmer, Henry b 1818 a butcher, who married a Catherine 1825 about1848. They had Mary 1849, Walter 1852, and Ellen 1862 - perhaps more I don't know as didn't find any other censuses.

That's just how it seemed to fit to me but maybe it isn't quite on the mark and I have crossed my wires- gets a bit complex after a while.   Anyway.... will be interesting to see what the records reveal!

Chat soon.... there is a dust storm brewing here. Yet it is flooding on the north coast and Queensland with a third of the annual rainfall in less than a day!!!We aren't getting a drop!

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This site has been offline all morning. Anyway found that Rosedale and Tickhill both belonged to Duke of Norfolk who was also lord of the Manor of Sheffield too. Yes I know you'd think Norfolk would be in Norfolk but that's the aristocracy for you. The duke of Norfolks family name is Howard. Rosedale Abbey is next to Castle Howard. Arundel Castle another home of the Howards/Norfolks was restored by John Teasdale the Duke of Norfolk's Master Stone Mason. John Teasdale is also down as in Wellburn on the Castle Howard Estate as quarrying there. It does say John Teasdale comes from York. If our family of Teasdales were on Norfolk estates there could quite possibly be mentions of the family eg tenancy agreements, payroll, etc.. I believe the Estate records for the Norfolks are quite extensive. A lot of records were found in Arundel Castle and I know these records are available in Sheffield Archives so could be some interesting searching.
I agree the records are confusing about Kemps Jarvis etc.. which is why I want to look at marriage records in particular in the archive as well as working out where Joseph came from and his relationship to Robert. My brother said to me try and copy as much as possible as you never know when other information there becomes relevant. I'll try my best.

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Well after 2 archives I think the Teasdales are a little clearer, the Jarvis family less clear and the Kemps are still confusing me. George Teasdale was a stableman at Tickhill Castle. I assume that is the estate with the castle in it because I don't think the castle would be used by then as most castles were decomissioned by Parliament after the Civil War. The marriage certifcate for Henry Jarvis is in an independent chapel in Bawtry. This may cause problems as its harder to get a look at dissenter churches. The burial record of George Teasdale's makes his birthdate as 1793. I don't know if this is just an error or the George Teasdale I have is the wrong one. I will have to investigate this further. I found I had the wrong father for Henry Jarvis as I now know his parents to be William and Mary. I couldn't find William and Mary's marriage in the register or William's birth so I'm going to have to do some more searching. I need to look at Maltby records for the Kemps. I couldn't find details of the Brightmore Teasdale marriage in Tickhill so will have to look in Sheffield and Catcliffe. Don't know what happened to George Teasdale junior either. There is a George about the right age in America. Could he have decided to try his luck in America? I noted the name Eliza Jarvis as a witness to Henry Jarvis and Ann Teasdales wedding. I didn't find any record of her birth in Tickhill so there's another person I have to find. There doesn't appear to be any Teasdales in the church register till Mary's birth in 1816 so it looks like they were the first to move there. There are many Teasdales in Sheffield though so they are not the first Teasdales in the area. I will have to look more closely at the Teasdales in Sheffield and see if I can find a connection.

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I've had a lot of fun researching but I still haven't found for sure who Arthur Kemp is except that he is a genuine cousin as there are clear Jarvis/Kemp/Teasdale connections. Henry Jarvis's family is from Nottinghamshire. I don't know if the other Jarvis families are related. There are also Edwin and John Teasdale that I think are probably connected. In particular John Teasdale the saddler living in Bawtry, where Henry Jarvis married Anne Teasdale in 1848. A saddler is after a related occupation to a Stableman. There seems to be a number of leather working Teasdales dotted about the area. We seem to have 3 groups of workers, butchers/farmers/estate workers. (Henry Jarvis was also a groom ) leather workers, shoemakers saddlers, and 3rd stone masons. I think I will have to buy Arthur's birth certificate to establish parents. I wasn't going to before because I hadn't established he wasn't just a relative in name only. And where did Arthur go after his apprenticeship finished?   

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I hope you got details of site I found about Tickhill Castle Farm. Apparently the Lumleys were fond of horse racing so George Teasdales job as Stableman makes him a man who would have to be better than the average as Tickhill was a major stud farm and he would be dealing with very valuable race horses. Of course Doncaster is not far away and races are still run there.  If he broke horses he would be very important but still probably not paid a lot. I imagine they kept copious records about the stud and the employees.