Arthur Kemp Maltby Rotherham

[Bronhill]

Hi Duckweed... and followers ...More on the Kemps.
I have been trawling census records and have struck paydirt!
 
On the 1861 census  there appeared  the same William aged 33 b 1828 and wife Emma aged 32 daughter Annie E aged 11 b 1849/50, Charles b 1851 ( the Charles who is above and married Martha), William aged 7 b 1853, Emma aged 4 and Harriet aged 3. .. also William Booth an apprentice. Annie E and Charles have obviously left home come the 1871 census.

 I have found census 1871  William Kemp 43 ( born 1828)of Tickhill and wife Emma 42 and children William aged 17 ( born 1853) , Emma aged 14, Harriet aged 13, Frederick aged 9 Alice aged 8 Fanny aged 6 Gertrude aged 4... plus a Sarah Ann Jarvis who was visiting! ( had to turn the page and found them on the very next page) Further down the page- a Charles Kemp aged 20 also at Westgate a butcher... wife Martha aged 22 and Alice Elizabeth a Daughter. 1 month.

Same William b 1853 appears in 1881 census aged 27 with wife Alice aged 29 , Edith aged 5 and Millicent aged 1. He is a cattle dealer in Doncaster but born in Tickhill.
I can't find any Arthur Kemp. Unless Arthur Kemp b 1873 is a son of William b 1828 and Emma I can't find him in the1881 census ( Arthur would be 8 years old) so may have died  sometime in between 1871 and 1881.

These census records definitely link Ann Teasdale ( Jarvis) , Sarah Teasdale Stringer and the Kemps. Sarah Ann Jarvis- daughter of Ann and Henry Jarvis appears on the 1871 census as residing with William and Emma Kemp.

Perhaps there is also a family or marriage  connection between the Teasdales and the Kemps other than neighbours but I am yet to find that one! 

Re Robert Kemp: On the 1841 census there appears a Robert aged 3 ( b  1838- Mother Mary aged 40 and sister Emma aged 5  at Westgate Tickhill.

 Robert b Tickhill then appears on the 1861 census and again on the 1881 census as a butcher  married to Angelina with Children William,  Mary, Charles, Robert b 1871 , Fanny, Emma Jane. However on the same page in the 1881 census appears Robert aged 12 b 1871 and Arthur born 1873 aged 10 staying with Mary Thompson head of house aged 62. I would suggest that Robert and Arthur are perhaps brothers-( Arthur would not have been born at time of the 1871 census) and  perhaps Mary is the grandmother? All are residing in Maltby. Both Robert and son William are butchers.

I am still to find out about Mary Teasdale- Ann and Sarah's sister and George on the 1841 census and whether he  was a brother or not and what happened to him given I can't find anything else on him.
Keep smiling!

[Bronhill]

Just found another Teasdale NSW connection under name Teasdel.  Thomas Teasdale born 1755 died 1823 Wife Ann Gee 1757-1827 had daughter Hannah Teasdale born 1774 Holborn Middlesex (eg London) moved to NSW and died Richmond NSW 18 July 1821.  try http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/batterbob/ft3.html May be no connection but thought you might find it interesting.

Don't think she is one of ours.....but not to say she isn't connected in some way, but she came as a convict so I think from memory long before our William came to Australia. He came as part of a Government settlement program.

[Bronhill]

Hi Duckweed,

Thre are a few Kemps from Tickhill- including those I mentioned last post.
Also found a Ruth Kemp ( b 1781) on 1851 and 1861 censuses. Husband George ( b 1776) appears on the 1851 but not the 1861. They are at Northgate in 1851 and Market place in 1861 Tickhill. He was a shoemaker.

George b 1815( who could well be the son but as he does not appear on a census as a child- too early is hard to tell) married Emma and had children John b 1848 and Ann 1844.  John Kemp 1801 m Mary b 1799 and is the father of Robert b 1838 ( re last post I sent) and a butcher in later censuses.

William 1828 married Emma as per the last post with reference to Sarah Ann Jarvis staying with them at time of census.

Many are in the butchering trade in the area.

Also...Found a William  Kemp b1818 aged 43 on the 1861 census -a grocer in Hulme who came from Yorkshire- Leeds- not sure if he is related.  Had wife Ann and Children William Kirkland Kemp b 1853 and an older son as his wife Mary Marriner aged 20 staying with them and appears on the census.
William Kemp b 1854 Tickhill a cattle dealer- wife Alice born Tickhill, Daughter Edith born Tickhill aged 5 in 1881, Millicent aged 1. They are at Doncaster- 69 Nelson St.

Most seem to link up except the William in Hulme... and  Joseph Kemp b 1778  married to wife Mary b 1780 - a farmer- but could be brother of George b 1776 and married to Ruth.  Joseph and Mary had Malin b 1810, Robert b 1812 @ Tickhill  and Henry b 1818/ 1819 ( Would have been about the same age as my Willliam Teasdale.  Henry was a butcher. Interestingly so was William here in Australia.
 Malin  married Ann b 1825 and had Catherine b 1849 and Alice b 1851 according to the census information. Malin was a gardner.

[duckweed]

Thanks for all the info. I'm going to look at the Leeds Kemp angle as the Bullivants had relatives in Leeds too so maybe the link is not in Tickhill but in Leeds. Haven't had access to the internet for a week so am having to do a lot of catching up. If you have any family in the Leeds area this is a good site to look up. http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk and http://www.yorkshireindexers.co.uk/forums The Yorkshire BMD also covers Hull and York.

[Bronhill]

Hi Duckweed,

I have had another search re the Kemps and been mapping them yesterday given it was a cold windy day and was sa good activity to complete curled up in front of the fire. Have found on the census a George Kemp b 1776 Tickhill married to a Ruth Kemp b 1781. He was a shoemaker and had sons John b 1801 m Mary? and George b 1815 m Emma ( so it seems anyway on piecing this together). They had an Emma b 1826 and a Robert b 1838. John b 1801 was missing off the 1841 census with just Mary and the little ones aged about 5 and 3 so would say he may have died. Robert married an Angelina and had many children  William b 1860, Mary 1861, Fanny 1862, Emma 1863/4 ,Charles 1869/70, Lily Angeline b 1868, Robert 1871, Arthur 1873- whom I assume is the Arthur you are talking about and is connected to Sarah Stringer as the apprentice and Ann Jarvis

In the 1881 census Robert and Arthur appear on the same page as the rest of the family but are staying with Mary Thompson. Am wondering who she is and what her connection is- perhaps robert's wife's mother???

I think Joseph Jarvis b 1778 a farmer may be George's brother. He married Mary Jarvis b 1780 ( as mentioned in one of the posts. I can't find who she is and how she related to Henry Jarvis who married our Anne.
Joseph Kemp and Mary had Malin b 1809, Robert b 1812 and Henry Kemp1818/19 ( a butcher). 

On a census of Ann and Henry Jarvis appears a Mary Jarvis b about 1824 listed as a dairymaid , plus a Catherine b 1852 and a John b 1861. A guess suggests she may be Henry's sister or sister in law if she has two children unless they are Ann and Henrys, however they appear unser her name and I would assume that  their children are listed above her and under Anna and Henry that the children appearing under Mary are hers.

I am currently looking for Jarvises and have found another Henry born 1826 but he married a Mary Taylor. They are at Rotherham. His father was John b  1784 married Charlotte Ellis and his father a John b 1756 a slater m Elizabeth Coe. I don;t know of they are connected to Henry who married our Anne Teasdale. There were Jarvises at Tickhill... resising at the Draper's shop in 1891. Walter 43, Catherine 43 , George 18, Walter Malin 17 ( interesting as Joseph and Mary b 1780 at Tickhill had son Malin so perhaps these are their grandkids- ) Herbert Samuel  15, Thomas 14,William Salman 12, Arthur Stanley 9 Catherine Millicent 6 Alfred Joshua 5 and betty Agatha 2. 

There may be some other link between the Kemps and the Teasdales. Arthur Kemp as the apprentice is listed as a nephew so perhaps one of Henry's sisters was married to a Kemp, but I have yet to find his siblings . As he was born 1826 he would be about 15 years of age in 1841 census.

A William Kemp was born 1818 Tickhill ( not sure if he is a brother of John b 1801 or George b 1815, the shoemaker. He is a millwright , married an Ann b 1819  and had a son William b 1854 who late rlived in Hulme. He married a Charlotte b 1861 and adopted a son William b 1888.Seems they moved to London and Manchester.

I recall seeing a George in Hulme also who was a grocer on a census.

William Kemp b 1828 ( as distinct from the one born 1818 above) married an Emma ? b 1829 and all their children as I said appeared on a census with Sarah Ann Jarvis staying with them on the 1871 census so she must be connected. Am not sure how he connects with the other Kemps of Tickhill- Robert b 1838 the butcher who had Arthur. Perhaps Emma his wife was a Jarvis and sister to Henry. Will have to cehck that one out.

Chat to you soon- Bronnie
 

[duckweed]

Looked up some family trees and one suggests the Mary Teasdale who married Joseph Brightmore was in fact a widow and was originally named Mary Shaw. Husband has promised me a trip to Rotherham Archives if I can book a spot. Don't know what I will find as it takes a long time to go through Parish records but we can but hope. 

[duckweed]

Here's three sites you may not know about.
1 . surname profiler that shows you how your surname is distributed.
http://nationaltrustnames.org.uk

2. maps of the UK in 1840. Our area is under Derbyshire and Notts strangely enough.
http://archivemaps.com/mapco/lewis/lewis065htm

3. Trade directories Tells you a lot about the area but needs a lot of patience to search through. http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/
 4. IGI parish records a little more accurate than Family Search though there may be transcription errors. Also records are incomplete as depended on what researcher had available to transcribe. 
http://freepages.geneaology.rootsweb.ancestry.com/-hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm
Hope these help

[duckweed]

I think I have worked out where Arthur Kemp comes in. Hannah Matthews who married George Teasdale had a sister Mary who married a Charles Kemp in Tickhill in 19 Jun 1821. Mary and Charles had a son Robert who married Angelina and there in 1881 is Arthur Kemp down as a visitor. Either he is a nephew of a brother I can't find or else the ennumerator was mistaken as Robert the son is also down as visiting. Obviously I need to find Arthur's birth certificate to establish parents for sure, but there is the Kemp connection anyway.

[Bronhill]

Hi Duckweed,

Good work!! You are an absolute wizard! The thought had crossed my mind!!!! Makes absolute sense! Didn't know anything about Hannah's family though or who her siblings were!! Was it Charles Kemp or John as I figured George and Ruth having son John b 1801 who married a Mary ?,  who had Robert b 1838 and Emma. Robert marrying Angelina Parkinson in Dec 1858 ( found record on BDMs)... and having Arthur Kemp b 1873 ( I think he was the youngest of all the kids in the family.  I could have misread it though. I wonder who Mary Thompson as i thought perhaps she may have been Angelina's mother. Unless she remarried given the name doesn't match.

Thing is if it is a Charles was he a brother of John b 1801 and also a George b 1819? Don't know the names of the sons of George Kemp 1776 the shoemaker and Ruth as the 1841 census is many years later.  That would make Mary Matthews, Hannah's sister,  the grandmother of Arthur
Robert who married Angelina also had a son Robert born 1871.. and they both appear on the 1891 census as down the street from the rest of the family staying with Mary Thompson.
I wonder what other exciting info will come out of the woodwork!!

Good work 99!

Bronhill