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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ?
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 12 November 08 06:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Daizi

I'm posting on here so the others can read it.  I've received the inquest in the mail today and will be forwarding it to you tomorrow.

In both Statements by Mary & James King its state they are not living together. 
So maybe Mary took up with William Johnson later, I would say she never married William Johnson.

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Genni
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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ?
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 12 November 08 07:23 GMT (UK) »
Ohhh   Gennig

Now that is interesting.....i wont sleep now, !! 

Will be stalking the postie every day till next week

I cant thank you enough

You are a champion

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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ? UPDATED
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 03:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi again all....

Well thaks to Gennig,   the inquest papers arrived today !!  i was so looking forward to getting them,  now,  they maybe sorta ,  clear things up.   I hope.

They are really hard to read - the writing that is,  but its seems the child died in the arms of the mother,  (although when the police turned up,  the mother was 'under the influence of drink)  She says she is married to..... wait for it,  William King,  (Blimey)  although he signs all his  papers in these bundle as James King ??? 

James / William goes on to say that he dosnt live with her,  basically coz she drinks to much ! 
It goes on to say that he dosnt have anything to do with the children  ( i think it says that ),

ANy way will try and scan

So maybe William and James are one and the same,  ?  or  Johnson or King,  or ?? 

Daizi 
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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ? UPDATED
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 04:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Daizi

I noticed that she had given her husbands name as William too.  But considering she turned up at the police station under the influence so to speak, I'm wondering if she had taken up with William Johnson after James had left her.
In those days, it was hard going if you didn't have a husband to support, but I noticed James was giving her money. 

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Genni
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Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould
Areas:
Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan


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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ? UPDATED
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 04:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes Genni, 

Is weird,  but thats what i expect from this family...... ;D

It says she is married and her husband's name is William KING,  and does not live with her,    but he signs and makes his statement as James KING

I am thinking that James King  is William Johnson.....as they change his name around from James KING to William KING,   and by 1889  he is William JOHNSON...hmmmm

I am beggining to think  i have exhasted all avenues as to find the truth,  was hoping this inquest would shed some light.....but alass they confuse more...(thanks so much again for getting the Genni - i mean that) 

The policeman,  seems to be the only onethat can write neatly,  -  thank goodness for him -

You see for all the kids born to Mary Ann and her husband(who ever he is)  on the certs all give the same marriage date of parents,  so am thinking......................

That maybe my grandmother was really a KING not a JOHNSON  ? 

Am trying to get the scanner plugged in so i can scan some and send to help decypher

Thanks again Genni,  you are a STAR    ;D


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Dixon Australia and Cumberland

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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ? UPDATED
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 04:49 GMT (UK) »
Daizi I was hoping that the inquest papers may have helped you a little more.  What was the coroner's finding as to the cause of death?   Imperfect feeding???

Genni,  you are a STAR   Get's my vote also....Genni you are so kind to do all these lookups at PROV. :)

Cheers
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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ? UPDATED
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 05:17 GMT (UK) »

Hi Cando, 

Me tooo   
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Daizi I was hoping that the inquest papers may have helped you a little more

AM trying to scan the docs so i can send you a copy Cando - if thats ok,  maybe you can figure it out,   It says something about 'feeding'  but cant figure it all out,   

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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ? UPDATED
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 05:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Daizi. :)
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Re: Is it worth trying to figure this family out ? UPDATED
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 18 November 08 08:53 GMT (UK) »


I am thinking that James King  is William Johnson.....as they change his name around from James KING to William KING,   and by 1889  he is William JOHNSON...hmmmm


I'm leaning the other way I think they are two seperate people.  I'm thinking in her distress, she has given the wrong name to the policeman. 



You see for all the kids born to Mary Ann and her husband(who ever he is)  on the certs all give the same marriage date of parents,  so am thinking......................

That maybe my grandmother was really a KING not a JOHNSON  ? 
 

In those days when registering a birth if you said you weren't married they wouldn't list the father on the birth certificate.
In our family we have one lady who gave a different date and place of marriage for each of the children born, she never married the children's father.
So, Mary may have used the marriage date on purpose.  Who was the informant on the Certificates? 

I think it said the baby was sickly, I'm thinking he died from malnutrition, maybe he was getting enough milk.

Regards



Genni
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Surnames:
Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould
Areas:
Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan