Author Topic: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers  (Read 5830 times)

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 20:46 GMT (UK) »
Just to throw my tuppence in to the discussion .... I agree with Arranroots.

Some threads to which I have contributed after an initial look up offer by someone who for whatever reason was unable to respond become extremely difficult to follow. A simple request with a very clear subject heading referring to the original lookup offer would keep things clear & simple.

As to the look up board on Aberdeenshire - this I believe was part of the original set up when the Scottish Counties were to be set up in the same manner as their English Counterparts with child boards etc. The only Scottish board which actually justifies the traffic involved is the Lanarkshire board and the former moderator of that board was trying to have a look up board set up but left before Trystan  had a look at the request.

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 28 October 08 22:18 GMT (UK) »
I think a few of us were just a bit thrown by the locking of posts that had previously been open, that's all.
I mostly surf the Lancashire and Lanarkshire boards,  so had not picked up on the way Offers work for the other counties. As the Editor pointed out, Lancashire Offers did not have a 'How To Use' post at the top, but now it does so thats all settled.

Arranroots - apologies for the unhelpful comment earlier, it was not meant that way. I was coming at this from the posters' point of view, not the mods - sorry. 

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 04:39 GMT (UK) »
There is clearly a problem, or at least a concern, here.

Please note (I feel I must state this in the light of recent actions by Mods - including deletions of my posts, and PMs misinterpreting my motives) that there is NO criticism of Mods or RC implied or intended in this post - it's just that there is obviously a problem/concern being discussed and it is up to all of us who feel we might be able to contribute ideas to enter into the dialogue.

It's surely not beyond our combined wits - Mods & humble RootsChatters - to manage to work together to solve this current problem/concern in a way which will help everybody.

If a RootsChatter very kindly makes a Lookup Offer (especially if it is from an arcane source of which not many RootsChatters will wish to avail themselves), it doesn't seem helpful if the kind RootsChatter making the offer has to spend his/her time searching to find out whether anyone wants his/her help (as described by keenbutconfused)!

On the other hand, the problems arising from lengthy threads developing from multiple lookup requests following on from popular Lookup Offers are a major concern (as described by Arranroots and others).   

Barbara, why apologise for coming at the problem from the posters' point of view - after all, you are a poster!

Newf's suggestion that the logic behind locking Offer threads should be explained on the Offer board is a very good one.

Erato's proposed solution is also good - though I think it is helpful for genealogical correspondence to take place on the boards rather than by PM.

Perhaps some combination of Newf's and Erato's suggestions might be workable e.g. the Lookup Offers and/or the Lookup Requests boards might say at the top (stickied?) that the person who has made the Offer (because he/she has not posted on the specific Request thread) will not be notified of a Request and thus might not see it - therefore it would be useful if the person making the new Request were to send a PM alerting the person who made the Offer to the new Request.  Just a thought.

Incidentally, I am not active on the Lancashire board but I agree with Gadget that this is a problem of general application.  And I should point out that I do keep my eye on Unread Posts in Lancashire because my My Gggfather, James HACKING b Liverpool (son of William b Liverpool, son of James m Liverpool), his wife (Elizabeth BAYES and her father William) and James's & Elizabeth's children all born Liverpool (including Ggfather George HACKING aged 5) left Liverpool in 1850 for Australia.

Regards,

JAP
PS:Arranroots, I'm puzzled by your strictures to Duck re quoting a reason which had been given why Duck's Offer was deleted.  It didn't mention the author though it did seem to be from one of the Copyright-Editors.  The C-Es (citing insufficient time) don't give specific reasons for edits or deletions (just the rather intimidating, bold and colourful standard replacement text) BUT they have, on specific copyright threads, invited RootsChatters to contact them by PM if they have specific queries about the reasons.  Surely, therefore, there can be nothing secret or private about the reason(s) provided by a C-E in response to such a query?  What would you suggest?  Should the RootsChatter ask the C-E whether the response/reason can be quoted - surely C-E's answer would have to be yes?  Should the RootsChatter post saying that the PM request has been made and that the response will be posted unless the C-E refuses permission?
A bit puzzling.  Especially as only a day or so ago I received a response from a Mod to a PM of mine - that response, which quoted my PM, was copied by the Mod to another RootsChatter (pretty "naughty actually", to use your words eh  :)).  

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Jap - I have no idea what you're saying, lol!  ::) ;D
Is it in English?

To everyone else - of course there are two sides to this story - and I'm a user too, so I sympathise with both.

The fact remains that sometimes there are things about Rootschat that we can't easily change.  There are faults with the system but to a certain extent we have to live with them.  This isn't because we don't want to - often we think the changes are a good idea - just that for whatever reason they are impractical.

I can only apologise that this won't suit everyone.

Enjoy the site, everyone - life really is too short for all this tension!

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Jap - I have no idea what you're saying, lol!  ::) ;D
Is it in English?

I'm afraid that I find that quite unnecessarily impolite.

My understanding is that "lol" means Lots of Laughter; I'd like to know why you use that expression.
As for asking whether I am writing in English - that's not pleasant.
And I suspect that most or all RootsChatters would have no trouble at all in recognising my English and in understanding what I am saying.

Please let's all try to be polite and helpful and considerate to each other.

I'd certainly like to know why you have no idea what I'm saying.
My suggestions are surely very clear.

I am a very serious person and I am happy to do everything I possibly can to explain what I mean if anything I've posted puzzles you or anyone else and/or is not clear.

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...  The fact remains that sometimes there are things about Rootschat that we can't easily change.  There are faults with the system but to a certain extent we have to live with them.  This isn't because we don't want to - often we think the changes are a good idea - just that for whatever reason they are impractical.
Of course.  And I have been told all too many times by PMs from Mods/Admin that RootsChat is as it is so just put up with it!
But what I suggested above (stickied explanatory posts at the top of a board) is a terribly simple solution to an existing problem ...  isn't it? 

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...  Enjoy the site, everyone - life really is too short for all this tension! ... 

So true - so let's avoid unnecessary tension and let's all work together to find happy solutions to problems which have been identified.

All the very best to everybody including you Arranroots,

JAP (not Jap - JAP are my initials, namely Judith Ann Philip).

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 10:27 GMT (UK) »
I was teasing, sigh.

No, not easy to sticky topics - this has been discussed soooo many times.  We try to keep stickies to a minimum as it affects performance.  If there were an easy solution - don't you think we'd have done it by now?

Best idea so far - post on the Request board in response to an offer and PM the offer-maker to alert them (thanks Newf)

I think we've been all around this now?

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Morning
How come a little request turns into a full bloodied argument on here. Rootschats has rules, we all know what they are, yet we get threads about trying to change them, nearly everyday on here ??? ???.
Its seems to me that this thread has gone from what Duck asked, now its about PMs, and into a slanging match again. Why dont we all behave like adults for a change, and get on with what we do best, and that is helping other rootschatters look for their rellies

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 10:36 GMT (UK) »
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Best idea so far - post on the Request board in response to an offer and PM the offer-maker to alert them (thanks Newf)

This one would get my vote if it counted for anything and is also the most practical solution to the whole situation.

If anyone needs an example of how a lookup offer thread can become extremely tangled - take a look at
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,227346.0.html
This has even been marked COMPLETED but people are still attaching requests. I take my hat off to revmother2 for her forebearance and tenacity in dealing with that.

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Re: Locked Threads on Lancashire Lookup Offers
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 10:37 GMT (UK) »
Great - a consensus?

I'll lock this to prevent further agony!

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