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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 08:48 GMT (UK) »
HI

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Susie ... you must be delighted with this barrage of information that's suddenly descended on you over the weekend!

Wow so much information to take in , John Wardlaw Reid or other way was my Paternal Great, Great Grandfather.

At the moment I am going try and put the information from this thread in to  tree so it is easy for my granddad to look and understand.

He is so chuffed and overwhelmed, he has found the death certificate of Melville Brown Wardlaw Reid who was his father (b 1891 and died 1928).

So next time I see him I will get a look at the certificate and see what info is on for his parents at the time of death.

Once again, I can't believe all the info you have managed to find, it is very interesting.

Kind Regards

Susie

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Susie

The name 'Melville Reid' with a connection to St Andrews, Fife, is ringing bells with me.  Am I close?

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Yes very very hot

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi again 'cousin' Susie

Contact me by PM please

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Family surnames being researched ...
Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson
Drummond, Laing, Pearson, Tulloch ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more!

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 14:15 GMT (UK) »
Yes very very hot

Any connecton to Melville Reid who was a postman and his son Kenneth?

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Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson
Drummond, Laing, Pearson, Tulloch ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more!

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid and Helen Drummond/Wardlaw/Reid
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 09:19 GMT (UK) »
I think I may have sorted this out, but there again …
 
Helen Drummond was born in 1832 and first appears in the 1841 Census living at Lower Loan, Pittenweem.  In 1851 she is still living in Pittenweem but has moved to Cowgate.
 
In 1856, at the age of 24, she proved she could have children when her first-born arrived – i.e. Christian Black – and there’s no indication here who her father may be.  Two or three years later she had another daughter - Helen (Drummond) - followed three years after that by a son - James (Drummond) -  then another daughter - Janet (Haig Drummond).  All four children, incidentally, were stigmatised as ‘Illegitimate’ in the Scottish Records.
 
In the 1861 Pittenweem Census she is living at High Street and there is a James Reid – born Dunfermline - staying in the house/with Helen as a ‘boarder’ (mair than likely her ‘bidie-in’). James the Boarder is presumably Janet’s (Haig Drummond) father given that his mother’s maiden name was Haig.
 
Later, in September 1861, we then have Helen’s marriage to James Reid Wardlaw – just to muddy the water a little.  Question: Did James Reid try and hide behind an assumed name (Wardlaw)?  No, I don’t think so, since James Reid was born in Dunfermline and James Reid Wardlaw was born in Culross, Perthshire.  James Reid born in Dunfermline seems to have been ‘kicked into touch!’
 
The 1871 St Andrews Census shows Helen living at 37 Abbey Street with James Reid Wardlaw (Head), her daughters Christian, Helen and son James and there is also anther son at this point – John Reid Wardlaw b.2 Nov 1861 presumably James’s son.  James later married Maggie Ann Brown.  (I think Susie thought his year of birth might have been 1863).
 
The 1881 St Andrews Census (Parish #453/ED7 / Pages 13 & 14 incidentally) then shows Helen living at 9 South Castle Street with James Reid (Head), born Culross, Perthshire, her daughter Janet (Reid), son John (Reid) and two Grandsons John B Reid, age 9 (we have a James B Reid shown as John and Maggie Reid’s eldest laddie in the 1891 St Andrews Census), and James McI Reid, age 2.  Who were James McI Reid’s parents?  There’s no indication in the IGI.  There seems to be a slight discrepancy regarding the birth years for ‘Janet H’ and ‘John R’.  A check in New Register House, Edinburgh should resolve this.
 
In the 1901 Census she is living at Woodend Cotton, Dunino, Fife, still with James REID and a grand-daughter Annie H---? (her surname is not clear) born in St Andrews, Fife.  Who were Annie’s parents?
 
Helen died two years later in the Fife and Kinross Asylum – indicating that, compounding her Spinal Myelitis, she may have had some mental problems ... an’ it’s nae wunder efter a life like that.
 
Are you still confused?  I know I am, but things do seem to be getting a little clearer … or are they?
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Family surnames being researched ...
Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson
Drummond, Laing, Pearson, Tulloch ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more!

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 10:00 GMT (UK) »
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No, I don’t think so, since James Reid was born in Dunfermline and James Reid Wardlaw was born in Culross, Perthshire.  James Reid born in Dunfermline seems to have been ‘kicked into touch!’

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1881 Census Scotland Fife St Andrews and St Leonards
ED7/Parish Reg # 453/ Page 7
9 South Castle Street

REID
James Head Marr 45 General Labourer born Dunfermline Fifeshire
Helen Wife Marr 47 born Pittenweem Fifeshire
Janet Dau Unmarr 21 Out Door Work born Pittenweem Fifeshire
John Son Unmarr 19 Butcher Unemployed born Pittenweem Fifeshire
John B Grandson Unmarr 9 Scholar born St Andrews Fifeshire
James Mc I Grandson Unmarr 2 born St Andrews Fifeshire


I think James Reid & James Reid Wardlaw are the same person. As you can see James birthplace in the 1881 census is shown as Dunfermline. Whilst the other censuses for James show Culross as Perthshire, on Genuki its under Fife. Culross is only about 6 miles from Dunfermline and I know from my own experience that if people don't know the place you are from you then say near a larger town so Culross near Dunfermline is reasonable.

Andy

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 11:21 GMT (UK) »
Andy

You're quite right ... it was a typo, sorry :-[.   I had checked the microfilm copy in the University Library yesterday and jotted it down correctly (it wasn't a particularly good copy so I didn't print it off)

I know Culross (pronounced - Coo-roos) in Fife and, as you say, it's not far from Dunfermline.

Try Culross, Perthshire on Google and look at the first result http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/place_page.jsp?p_id=16938 ... and then try the Fife Family History Society page a little further down http://www.fifefhs.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/parishmap.htm .  If you scroll right down to the bottom of that page you'll find Culross, Parish 64, appears in PERTHSHIRE (detached) from a 1790's map - before the Fife / Perthshire boundaries were delineated ... so that resolves the place of birth anomaly!

I've now come round to your way of thinking ... but why did he change his name?

Regards

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Family surnames being researched ...
Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson
Drummond, Laing, Pearson, Tulloch ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more!

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: John Wardlaw Reid
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 12:15 GMT (UK) »
John B REID, Grandson, 9 in the 1881 census is likely to be the following from the IGI:
*John BLACK b 26 Mar 1872, St Andrews & St Leonards, Fife, mother Christina BLACK, no father named.
(Chiad Fhear, were you suggesting that he was the eldest child of John & Maggie?  However, their eldest was James B REID and was only 3 in 1891.)

*James McI REID, Grandson, 3 in the 1881 census (i.e. b ca 1879, St Andrews & St Leonards) would not be found in the IGI (as he was born after 1875).
He may perhaps be an illegitimate child of Janet's ...

JAP