Pyke & Gardiner, Families Ashampstead

[melb]

In particular Jane Pyke daughter of Francis Pyke and Dinah Goodman and Francis Gardiner son of Richards Gardiner, mother unknown.
Dinah Goodman was the daughter of Thomas Goodman & Mary House.

Any help will be very much appreciated

[Arranroots]

Hi Melb

Welcome to Rootschat! 

Sorry I am not offering answers - you might like to include some dates and places to help people distinguish your family from other possibilities.

What sources have you checked and what do you need?

Kind regards, Arranroots 

[melb]

Thanks for the welcome I have quite a lot of information but would welcome  input  from anyone with the same research interests, I would be delighted to share what I have.

[Vicwinann]

Thanks for the welcome I have quite a lot of information but would welcome  input  from anyone with the same research interests, I would be delighted to share what I have.

Hello,
I have the Goodman/Pyke/Gardener families as distant links on my tree. Francis Gardener was buried in 1855 and his wife Jane nee Pyke in 1857. I have 5 children for them. Which one are you interested in?
Regards
Vicwinann

[melb]

Thanks for the reply even though I am very late in picking it up. My husbands Great grandfather was John Gardiner eldest son of Francis and Jane. I thought Jane was alive after 1857, I would be interested in any info on any member of the families. Especially anything regarding Francis Gardiners parentage. John Gardiner married Hannah Hodges from South Stoke, they raised their family in Reading.

[Vicwinann]

Hello
The 1851 for Francis and Jane puts them in Ashampstead, both born Ashampstead,  although they married in 1841 in Reading.
Yes, I have that son John 1845 marr Hannah of South Stoke, Oxon and had 6 children in Reading. I didn't have Hannah's maiden name because I could not find a marriage. Thanks for that.

As you, I have Francis as son of Richard and Mary with 3 siblings, and Jane Pyke/Pike, who may be a second wife as there is a big gap in ages, as dau of Francis Pyke and Dinah Goodman.
Francis was buried Ashampstead 1855 and Jane in 1857.

Can you tell me why you thought that Jane was alive after then? It is not inconceivable that I have the wrong Jane burial.

Regards
Vicwinnan

[Iyonix2003]

Hi,

I am a newcomer here and I am interested in the Gardiner family of Ashampstead. Please bear with me here while I explain. My great grandmother was one Agnes Gardiner Thresher and I know that she was born, shock horror, on the wrong side of the blanket in 1866 in Goring, Oxfordshire. Her birth certificate lists her mother as one Ellen Thresher but the fathers name is crossed out but the partial name is still legible as 'Willia'.

Now, Agnes Thresher can be traced as a 'boarder' in the 1871 census living with a family called Gardiner. The head of this family is one Richard Gardiner (1811, Ashampstead) and, although not at home in 1871, he has a son called William Gardiner (1847, Wokingham) who is the most likely candidate as the father of Agnes. William Gardiner marries Ellen Thresher in 1875 in Middlesex and they can be found in the 1881 census together with Agnes Thrasher (sic) and William's widowed mother, Fanny Gardiner (nee Sims).

I'm sorry if that was rather verbose and convoluted but my question is this.

The previous discussion here was regarding a Francis Gardiner and Jane Pyke. As both Francis (1826) and Richard Gardiner (1811) were from Ashampstead, is it possible that they could have been brothers. I know that Richard's father was also called Richard Gardiner and that his wife's name was Mary and this seems to fit in with the info I've gleaned from the previous discussion, particularly from Vicwinann that Francis's father and mother were also Richard and Mary. If Richard and Francis were siblings then William Gardiner was my 2 x great-grandfather and Richard was my 3 x great-grandfather.

Can anyone help me confirm or refute the link between Richard (1826) and Francis (1811).

Many thanks.

[melb]

I have Francis & Jane's Marriage certificate.  They were married at St Mary's Parish Church, Reading on the 28th October 1841. Francis's age is stated as full and Jane's as a minor. Francis's father is named as Richard, a smith by profession. Jane's father was Francis Pyke a carrier. The witnesses were James Pyke and Caroline Pearce ( she later married James) On the 1851 census Francis's age is unclear it has been crossed through but has been taken as 25, which would confirm an 1826 birth. the address was 87 Ashampstead Green.  I believe Francis had a brother Richard, he also named one of his sons Richard b c 1848.
The address given on the marriage certificate is 4 Nut Court, as yet I cannot find out exactly where that stood but I am assuming it was near St Mary's Butts area.

I have been looking at your Ellen Thresher in the 1851 census, she was born in 1848 in Childrey, Berks. She was the daughter of William & Ann Thresher,they were living in the parish of St Lawrence Reading, it looks like Vastern Street? possibly what is now Vastern Rd, as Ellen's father was a railway porter, that would be convenient for work. In 1861 Ellen was working as an under nurse in the household of the Vicar of Aldworth ( that's not far from Ashampstead, by the way. William appears to be working as a page in the household of Mr Henry Simmonds the master brewer and wine merchant of Reading.
Hope this helps, I am happy to send a copy of Francis & Jane's certificate if you wish.

ps in the 1881 census Fanny is the Head of the household and Agnes is referred to as Grandaughter, so if I were a betting person I would almost say case closed.

[Iyonix2003]

melb,

Many thanks for your reply regarding Richard (1811) and Francis Gardiner (1826). It does look as though they were brothers but why the large 15 year gap in their ages. Were there possibly other children that didn't survive in the interim. I would very much like to receive the certificate for Francis and Jane. Unfortunately I won't be home until the weekend so any replies will have to wait until then.

Many thanks again and I look forward to receiving the certificate.

Bye for now.