Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers #1

[deb usa]

ooo I have found James and Eliza in 1861
Elsenham
List of persons not in houses
caravan
James Hedger mar 45 Mat maker b Plumbstead
Eliza wife 45 hawker Middlesex Islington
Selina 21 b Kent Budyar ?
Elias son 18 ..could he be Golias?  hawker b Eltham/Elsenham? Kent
Elijah son 16 hawker b Stroud Kent
Alfred son 14 b Hoo Kent
Oliph dau 10 .... Olive maybe LOL ...b Chalk Kent
Henry 5 b Essex Moreton
Rosa 3 b Essex Chelmsford

Just looking at who were the other peeps in tents/caravans around them I spotted this family because of wife's POB

next 'door' to the Hedges
John ARNOLD head mar 22 mat maker b Chiselhurst
Maria Sophia wife 22 hawker b PLUMSTEAD KENT
James 2 Kent ?
John 1 Stroud

taking a chance I looked at marriages  and guess what ...wooooohoooooo

Mary Sophia Hedges   = John Arnold
Mar q 1858 
 Romford   Essex 
Vol 4a p 73 

Blimey there has to be some clue somewhere , usually Gypsy families have everyone around ...

deb

[jamajo]

Morning Jenny and Deb

  Oh......... as Deb said must be a link somewhere

  I will be on and off today but will pop back to search when i can

 Esther and Sophia may have both married Arnolds then and in the same year and place

          Sue

[Nennefer]

William and Frances Hedges Son Joseph Died
N Aylesford Dec. Q 1844 5, 313
So no marriage or children for him.

[Nennefer]

Hi Sue Good to see you back. I'm here for a few hours only, got to go out this afternoon to Ikea and buy daughter a dining table. A strange request for a Christmas present.

[Nennefer]

Son of James and Eliza

Marriages Jun 1870
 
Dartnell  Ellen Sophia    Romford  4a 133   
HEDGES  Elijah     Romford  4a 133   
STONE  Mary     Romford  4a 133   

Could have married either one

Added... Do we have Elijah on a census anywhere

[jamajo]

 I was lookinf at same thing Jenny

    What about this in 1891 in Cheshunt, Herts

      RG12 / 1091 / 182 / 23

Has Elizars Hedges ( Elias Hedges) age 52 b Dartford and wife Alice

 Have we got this?

[Nennefer]

No I don't think we have any 1891 census returns. So that would be an interesting one.

[jamajo]

 1881
   RG11 / 1742 / 22 / 37

Elias Hedges head age 37 b Alresford Kent, occ lic hawker
Alice wife age age 35 b St Marys Cray, Kent
Alvy dau age 16 b Dartford
Odene dau age 14 b Southfleet, Kent
Elias son age 12 b Kitnson, Kent
Elijah son age 10 b Erith, Kent
Lottie dau age 7 b Raleigh, Kent
Thomas son age 5 b Sittingborne, Kent
Henry son age 4 b Woodford, Kent
Phoebe dau age 3 b Wethersfield, Kent
Celia dau age 0 b Romford, Essex

 Address Caravan, Navestock

      Have we got this?

[jamajo]

 1891 in Cheshunt, Herts
   
    RG12 / 1091 / 182 / 23

Elias Hedges head age 52 b Dartford, occ hawker
Alice wife age 50 b Dartford
Elizars son age 22 b Dartford, occ hawker
Elijah son age 20 b Dartford, occ hawker
Charlotte dau age 18 b Dartford, occ hawker
Phoebe dau age 16 b Romford
Eliza dau age 13 b Romford

  living in caravan

  Next to them also in caravan

Alfred Cumbers age 31 b Romford
Albey wife age 28 b Dartford
Eliezer son age 6 b Dartford
Eliza dau age 3 b South End Essex

  Do these fit anywhere