Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers #1

[deb usa]

Sue

this is how we figure things are;


I have just found Olivia's christening which suggests her mother is Eliza JENNINGS:

Olivia Hedges d/o James Hedges and Eliza Jennings bc 1816 Islington
1 FEB 1851   Cliffe Road, Frindsbury, Kent

then we have William Hedges = Frances/fanny Jennings bc 1814 Islington in YALDING 1833

Also a Harriet Jennings = Elias Eastwood in YALDING 1835 ...witness JAMES HEDGES (her brother-in-law?)
 

If we could find Elias and Harriet Jennings ...that may provide more clues ...I have not spotted them yet !

see Jenny's explaination below....

Now how to explain,
William HEDGES Married Frances JENNINGS (Known as Fanny) on the 23 Sept.1833 at Yalding  witnesses at the wedding were John NELSON and Harriet JENNINGS
Then later we find
Elias EASTWOOD Married Harriet JENNINGS on  28 Sept 1835 At Yalding
Witnesses at the wedding were James HEDGES and Frances EASTWOOD

Now we know Frances JENNINGS was Born in Islington Middlesex.
now note Eliza wife to James HEDGES was also born in Islington Middlesex
I think Frances JENNINGS is also Sister to Eliza wife of James HEDGES

I am not sure how all this information could help prove a connection between the brothers but I am sure there is something there that I just can't put my finger on.

[jamajo]

 Deb... Gotta run to pick kids up so can you check this please

           1881 RG11 / 865 / 39 / 22

 Eastwoods living in carry van in Dartford

 Might not be of use im not sure

       

[Nennefer]

Hi Deb and Sue
My this family really are frustrating.
I tend to be very wary of some of the so called facts on the IGI this is an example of how things don't always add up.

Job Hedges
Birth:  About 1844   Breadhurst, , Kent, England
Parents:
Father:  James Hedges  
Mother:  Eliza  

James and Eliza didn't have a son Job born 1844 Breadhurst. He is Job 1821and Rosanna's , son. I think the person who submitted the record has seen Job 1844 staying with his uncle James in the Census return and assumed him to be his son.

So although Eliza is recorded as being a JENNINGS it would easy to make her a JENNINGS instead of Frances.
Deb is the record of Olive's christening only from the IGI or has it be confirmed from a parish record.
Just thinking the record is to good to be true. I must have my skeptical head on today.
  
  
 Jenny

[deb usa]

Hi Sue

That is a very interesting one ...just for reference

1881
Home garden Cary van (sic  )\
John Eastwood head mar 65 horse keeper b Sussex ??
HARRIET wife 63 b hawker ISLINGTON
Alis dau unm 18 b Bexley Kent
Amelia Breeds gr dau 6 b St Marys Cray
/
John Eastwood head mar 42 b Sittinbourn (sic)
Ann wife 40 b Bearley, Kent
Harriet dau unm 19 b dartford
John son unm 17 b Dartford
Caroline dau unm 14 b dartford

could Elias have changed his name to John ??

Harriet b1818  Islington  is she Harriet JENNINGS?

Hi Jenny ...The info of Olivia Jennings is submitted ...it is her BIRTH DATE and not Christening .... it also confirms the marriage to William Spencer that I had found earlier ...to me it looks like someone has ordered her marriage cert and her birth cert and submitted it to the LDS

this is what I found ; Marriage
Olive Hedges = William Spencer
dec q1871  
 Romford 
vol 4a p 215

IGI= 2 OCT 1871   St Andrews, Romford, Essex


deb

[Nennefer]

Right. am In the middle of cooking dinner at mo. but am going to order Olive HEDGES birth cert. and clear this up. Just to save me going through the whole thread again can you tell me do we have a Free BMD reference for Olives birth registration.

[deb usa]

hi Jenny

Olive Hedges
mar q 1851 
North Aylesford  Kent 
5  490

deb

[Nennefer]

Thank you Deb. I will order that  in the next 30 mins. Do you know of any other Certificates that I could order that would help in the search. just as well get any others while I'm at it.
Jenny

[deb usa]

Hi again

Following up on John and Harriet Eastwood ...this is them in 1851

Deptford
John Eastwood head mar 35 Hawker of mats and Beehives b Sussex, 5 Ashes
Harriet wife 35 b Islington
George son 14 b Kent ??
John son 11 b Frindsted
Mark son 8 b Hoo
Caroline dau 5 b Hadlow

just seen you post jenny ..i will have a look

deb

[deb usa]

Hi Jenny ...do you remember our discussion on page 3

Hi Jenny

Thanks

and yes, it is very common to have all this confusion with Gypsies/travellers, especially since they are not always found on the census returns. Also a lot of them did not know where they were born , which obviously adds to the 'chaos' LOL

Re; Eliza b Herts or Islington ... I think that the easier but obviously expensive way to go , would be to order the birth certs of an older and younger child.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if say Henry or Rosa's cert revealed that their mum was the Staines girl ...you would then have a marriage cert that you could order to see who James' (one of the suspected brothers) dad was ...

I am still hoping that one of the censuses will hold the clue

deb

Yes I see that sounds like an excellent idea. I will  do that.
As you say might find more on the Census yet so will hold off from ordering for a very little while.
With your help we are forming a plan which is much more than I had a few days ago.

Remember ...Eliza states different places of birth on different censuses ...one Islington the other Stansted Herts?..

there was also a big gap between some of the children  ...making room possibly for a second marriage ...

deb